Some scary facts

[rockabilly]

Welcome back Ms. B!!

[transjen]

I alway love the mentality of those who think anyone differnt from them should be done away with and because i'm not like them it's ok to beat the daylights out of me, I always want to ask them who made them god and give them the right to decide who's normal and who ain't Jerseygirl Jen

[ssyslv]

that so many were ex lovers. It's bad that it's probably the 'cowards who date' Tgirls who are hurting and killing so many of these beautiful, courageous people.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by rockabilly

Welcome back Ms. B!!

I'm not actually back, I took a gander at some other threads and the reasons I left are still very much part of the "friendly atmosphere".

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by Bionca

I'm not actually back, I took a gander at some other threads and the reasons I left are still very much part of the "friendly atmosphere".

BIONCA:

I love your spunk, and not the wet kind. You want a humane world, which is being ahead of your time. It took Jesus Christ to go from a barbarian world to a civilized world, and it will take a major event to go from a civilized world to a humane one. You, like me, live in a country where you have those who are open to other points of view, because they understand that no matter how smart they are there is so much they don't know. Then, there are those who have all the answers, and need not listen to those of another opinion. I won't label them, but if you notice they seem to have similar characteristics.


PM me on the friendly situation that troubles you, because being a t-girl exposes you to something that others don't see. YOU have had a major impact on this site, and if you go the many won't understand reality from fantasy. Sometimes, you're even sexy. Like it or not, you are the t-girl that the other t-girls look up to. You are the one with the balls! You will fall many more times, and get up just as often.

PM me on what troubles you, as I didn't get what the hint was. I can only guess, but without certainty.


Piece,


TAL

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

BIONCA:

I love your spunk, and not the wet kind. You want a humane world, which is being ahead of your time. It took Jesus Christ to go from a barbarian world to a civilized world, and it will take a major event to go from a civilized world to a humane one. You, like me, live in a country where you have those who are open to other points of view, because they understand that no matter how smart they are there is so much they don't know. Then, there are those who have all the answers, and need not listen to those of another opinion. I won't label them, but if you notice they seem to have similar characteristics.


PM me on the friendly situation that troubles you, because being a t-girl exposes you to something that others don't see. YOU have had a major impact on this site, and if you go the many won't understand reality from fantasy. Sometimes, you're even sexy. Like it or not, you are the t-girl that the other t-girls look up to. You are the one with the balls! You will fall many more times, and get up just as often.

PM me on what troubles you, as I didn't get what the hint was. I can only guess, but without certainty.


Piece,


TAL

Tal,

It's not a big deal why I'm not really participating here much. The all to frequent mis-gendering of trans women, being described as a "fetish" (sexual attraction to objects or body parts not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature), and the ever popular "real woman" comments.

Having to have these conversation in, you know, my day-to-day life makes having these conversations here tiring and frustrating. The fact that these comments and attitudes are nearly always confronted by myself or one of the other gals with very little support from the guys makes me wonder why I spend time here.

I initially wanted to give a non-sex working TGs perspective on relationships, sex, and living. To give humanity to the images. However, I'm not really feeling that many guys actually WANT to "get it". I used to come here and joke around, flirt, and make some corrections where folks had some facts or opinions that I thought should be clarified.

Lately, I read comments and wonder what guys honestly think about trans women. I wonder how the attitudes expressed here were shared by the folks in the link I gave above. If I'm not "real" enough, if I'm an OBJECT that has been sexualized, if I am a dirty secret - to guys who have the awareness to share their desires for trans women (even if on the Internet) - what hope is there in my world where I walk and no person knows I'm a Trans woman.

If I have to defend my right to self-identification, or my claim to be who I know I am, or to even claim status as a person who CAN be "sexual in nature". If I need to have this conversation alone (at least it feels like it) time after time in a place that should feel safe(er) what's the point?

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Tal,

The all to frequent mis-gendering of trans women, being described as a "fetish" (sexual attraction to objects or body parts not conventionally viewed as being sexual in nature), and the ever popular "real woman" comments.

Lately the tone has changed here - and even among a particular group of trans*women there now seems to be an acceptance of fetish, castration and porn-selling as the comme-il-faute - as the modus operandum that is to be accepted as completely ok... I can promise you that I've made some real enemies here over the last weeks simply because I don't buy into all that trans*minimalizing crap.

And when the trans*women themselves start to attack me for what I consider quite reasonable and learned approaches to what a social approach to transsexuality should be, then I too wonder what I'm doing here.

The mix of ppl is changing here - less educated and more militant folks with particular agendas are entering, apparently. Unfortunately I've not from a single one of them met any opinions that I could relate to as particularily trans*realistic.

So maybe it's time to "pull our pants up" (no pun intended) and in my case to stop worrying so much what's going on at a particular forum that's clearly changing focus and habitus and in stead move back into the real life which in my case is luckily and abundantly peopled by the most amazing trans*women in the world.

Our "ancient" views are hardly gonna be missed here any more... ;-)

H

[randolph]

Well Hank, you are in the enviable position of being in an environment where you can enjoy the beauty and love of transsexual women. Most of us have to rely on our fantasies for the experience.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Lately the tone has changed here - and even among a particular group of trans*women there now seems to be an acceptance of fetish, castration and porn-selling as the comme-il-faute - as the modus operandum that is to be accepted as completely ok... I can promise you that I've made some real enemies here over the last weeks simply because I don't buy into all that trans*minimalizing crap.

And when the trans*women themselves start to attack me for what I consider quite reasonable and learned approaches to what a social approach to transsexuality should be, then I too wonder what I'm doing here.

The mix of ppl is changing here - less educated and more militant folks with particular agendas are entering, apparently. Unfortunately I've not from a single one of them met any opinions that I could relate to as particularily trans*realistic.

So maybe it's time to "pull our pants up" (no pun intended) and in my case to stop worrying so much what's going on at a particular forum that's clearly changing focus and habitus and in stead move back into the real life which in my case is luckily and abundantly peopled by the most amazing trans*women in the world.

Our "ancient" views are hardly gonna be missed here any more... ;-)

H

Hank

Not sure what to say. I think your participation is quite valuable and you have a perspective that is lacking on many sites where guys like you talk about gals like me.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

In order to accomplish accomplish something you have to do something, you seem to be a strong person, morally and intellectually, although a bit rash at times, which isn't alwasy a bad thing.

Did you see the movie "Milk", (i haven't) but i hear the main character was a young gay man who wanted gays to be recognized as a minority, he started his political career in his late twenties, and got elected in his late forties, it took him 20 years to get to the point where he could do something, he was of the ultra gay type, and still he overcame and won in the end, he didn't quit when the going got a little rough, he took his lumps and persevered, quitter do not accomplish anything.

So Bionca, ARE YOU A QUITTER?

So you have to repeat youself over and over, big deal a waist of a bit of spit, or a few keystrokes on your keyboard, if that little effort is too much for you then by all means quit, you don't have the guts to even try to change the situation even here where averybody is pro tg in a porn type of view, but still pro tg.

But i don't think you are that weak, you may be facing some personnal problems, but then who doesn't, the Bionca i have read so far is far more of a fighter than a quitter, she speaks her mind, so where is that Bionca that i have come to "know" and respect? Even if i don't always agree with her views.

Before i read your post in my "Post op reason" thread i was a bit more ignorant about trans related problems, you showed me a side i had never tought of or imagined, ok i did start that thread to learn more about t-girls and i did, i had an open mind, but others read your ansewer and the other's and some don't objectify tg as much, it may not be that much, but it IS something, a start, a small step, but then, even the longest trip starts with one step.

It is your choice to quit or not to quit, but i don't think you should.

If you choose to stick around, remember that you do attract more flies with honey than vinegar.

JohnDowe.