Some scary facts

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

unfourtunatly that wouldn't solve anything. having a death penalty would be the worst thing for britain. we got rid of it for a reason. giving people the death penalty only perpetuates the problem because even if the one that killed a loved one or in this case a transgender people is sentanced for death 1. it wouldn't bring the victims back and 2. even when the murderer is killed you'd still hve that feeling of hate and carry around this grudge and loathing. the reason why we got rid of the death penalty in britain was because it doesn't get us anywhere.

Not trying to be mean but damn, that's a horribly stupid excuse for not having the death penalty. I would have accepted "everyone has the right to life" as a better reason. But LOL, you chose "because it doesn't make the suffering go away". In America, we kill the worst of the worst, 1) To get rid of these horrible people who have committed astrocities 2) our tax dollars aren't funding their life imprisonment, why keep these scum alive? Just kill them, save money, save time. But the UK apparently doesn't even have life imprisonment much less the death penalty (ie: Lockerbie Bomber). I guess in England you can blow up a 747 and get out in a couple years. Nice country you have there. Imagine the U.S. having laws like that. Crime would be so rampant and out of control, especially hate crimes, gang crimes, gun crimes and terrorism that the country would degrade into a civil war. The death penalty and strict punishment keeps criminals in line. If anything we need to make punishments stricter.

[mustang1]

We're all at risk every day, even in the so called safe countries where I live. I use a train station daily where I don't feel too comfortable, so I stick with the crowd as much as I can. I feel only admiration for trans people and others who don't shy away from living their lives as it suits them, despite the risks. Femboys for example must live a hell of a life of teasing and abuse at times, and in many cities must be at risk, yet they have courage. I saw a very attractive faufaufina (polynesian femboy) on the train recently. In fact I couldn't take my eyes off him, and he was giving me coy little glances back. I couldn't help but admire him for being able to be himself totally in such a public place. This may sound like drivel, but its how I feel, as one who would not have such courage.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Not trying to be mean but damn, that's a horribly stupid excuse for not having the death penalty. I would have accepted "everyone has the right to life" as a better reason. But LOL, you chose "because it doesn't make the suffering go away". In America, we kill the worst of the worst, 1) To get rid of these horrible people who have committed astrocities 2) our tax dollars aren't funding their life imprisonment, why keep these scum alive? Just kill them, save money, save time. But the UK apparently doesn't even have life imprisonment much less the death penalty (ie: Lockerbie Bomber). I guess in England you can blow up a 747 and get out in a couple years. Nice country you have there. Imagine the U.S. having laws like that. Crime would be so rampant and out of control, especially hate crimes, gang crimes, gun crimes and terrorism that the country would degrade into a civil war. The death penalty and strict punishment keeps criminals in line. If anything we need to make punishments stricter.

One of the main reason the UK got rid of the death penalty was because of frequent miscarriages of justice where a number of innocent people were hung for murders it later turned out they'd had nothing to do with. The case of the Lockerbie Bomber may well turn out to be another miscariage of justice. When the whole prosecution case basically rests on the fact that a man very similar to him bought a pair of trousers in Malta that look quite similar to a pair that may have been in the case with the bomb - and a shopkeeper picks him out of an identity parade nearly a decade later (a shopkeeper who was also allegedly paid off by US intelligence and retired to Australia on the proceeds) it's probably understandable that the authorities were happy for the Scottish goverment to quietly release him on 'compassionate grounds' rather than have egg on their faces when his appeal proved he was most likely innocent.

There's over 60 million people in the UK, and we haven't degraded into civil war yet either - but then we don't hand out firearms to everybody who asks for them either...

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by Natalie_J

One of the main reason the UK got rid of the death penalty was because of frequent miscarriages of justice where a number of innocent people were hung for murders it later turned out they'd had nothing to do with. The case of the Lockerbie Bomber may well turn out to be another miscariage of justice. When the whole prosecution case basically rests on the fact that a man very similar to him bought a pair of trousers in Malta that look quite similar to a pair that may have been in the case with the bomb - and a shopkeeper picks him out of an identity parade nearly a decade later (a shopkeeper who was also allegedly paid off by US intelligence and retired to Australia on the proceeds) it's probably understandable that the authorities were happy for the Scottish goverment to quietly release him on 'compassionate grounds' rather than have egg on their faces when his appeal proved he was most likely innocent.

There's over 60 million people in the UK, and we haven't degraded into civil war yet either - but then we don't hand out firearms to everybody who asks for them either...

Couldn't have said it better myself, Natalie!

Diana

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Natalie_J

One of the main reason the UK got rid of the death penalty was because of frequent miscarriages of justice where a number of innocent people were hung for murders it later turned out they'd had nothing to do with.

Sounds like the problem is the LEOs and those carrying out the sentences than the actual method of punishment. It's like in the movies when an evil overlords lieutenant fucks up and the overlord says "this is the price for failure" and shoots a totally reliable person who had nothing to do with the situation. Instead of blaming the deterrent, there needs to be some serious rethinking going on in the justice departments.

[The Conquistador]

On a completely unrelated note, Hey Natalie! What do you think of Puressence? I like that song "Walking Dead".

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

On a completely unrelated note, Hey Natalie! What do you think of Puressence? I like that song "Walking Dead".

LOL How far off topic do you want to go?

I actually saw Puressence live sometime in the mid-90's - I had no idea they were still going. They weren't too bad as I recall.

Sorry everybody

[SweetCharmer]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

I would have accepted "everyone has the right to life" as a better reason. But LOL, you chose "because it doesn't make the suffering go away". In America, we kill the worst of the worst,

for the worst of the worst? i think fritz holds that. but i digress

you may kill the worst of the worst but we're not robots we can't turn off our emotions at the drop of a hat. if the murderer of a child gets killed for this crime do you think that the mother of the child will be all peachy after the murderer is killed? of course not, for most people the pain never goes away. i'm not saying that any justice system is better than any but all i'm trying to say is that for the most part it just doesn't work in from my POV but i guess i'm on of these idiots with a deluded outlook on life.