Barack Obama

[Talvenada]

TRACY:

Conse 'Pubs feel they have every right to be outraged if Obama drops $10,000 to go to the theater, but $2B is ONLY $2B.

Do you feel that people have the right to demand Obama's birth certificate?

TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Conse 'Pubs feel they have every right to be outraged if Obama drops $10,000 to go to the theater, but $2B is ONLY $2B.

Are you being willfully ignorant? What potential benefit to our economy is there if BO goes to the theater?

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Do you feel that people have the right to demand Obama's birth certificate?

Why not? When anyone is hired they have to show their social security card. Not a website with an image of it... the actual card. The requirements for president are that you have to be a US citizen among other things. This is just procedure and shouldn't be an issue.

When BO fouled up the words to the oath of office, he retook the oath soon after. That wasn't even required. He went above and beyond procedure just to remove any ammunition from critics. If he's conscious of how something like that is perceived, I think it's odd that he wouldn't even follow procedure in another case.

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

This is just procedure and shouldn't be an issue.

Jeez, the hustle never ends.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Are you being willfully ignorant? What potential benefit to our economy is there if BO goes to the theater?

Why not? When anyone is hired they have to show their social security card. Not a website with an image of it... the actual card. The requirements for president are that you have to be a US citizen among other things. This is just procedure and shouldn't be an issue.

When BO fouled up the words to the oath of office, he retook the oath soon after. That wasn't even required. He went above and beyond procedure just to remove any ammunition from critics. If he's conscious of how something like that is perceived, I think it's odd that he wouldn't even follow procedure in another case.

TRACY:

I think you should review the tape. It was Roberts who flubbed the oath.

If Obama has to prove he's an American, Conse 'Pubs will back off of nothing, because they have not even backed off of that.

So, Obama cannot spend a dime on himself, but only on things Conse 'Pubs want? No wonder you want him impeached and convicted.

TAL

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

TRACY:

I think you should review the tape. It was Roberts who flubbed the oath.

Yeah it was Roberts who flubbed it, but it caused BO to flub it as well, which is why he redid it. My point remains.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

If Obama has to prove he's an American, Conse 'Pubs will back off of nothing, because they have not even backed off of that.

What are you talking about? I'm just saying there's a procedure to follow like anyone else when they start a job. It's just paperwork. No reason to make a big thing of it.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

So, Obama cannot spend a dime on himself, but only on things Conse 'Pubs want? No wonder you want him impeached and convicted.

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. Did I say BO couldn't spend a dime on himself? You're the one who brought up the theater thing, and it had nothing to do with my reasoning for having him impeached.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Yeah it was Roberts who flubbed it, but it caused BO to flub it as well, which is why he redid it. My point remains.

What are you talking about? I'm just saying there's a procedure to follow like anyone else when they start a job. It's just paperwork. No reason to make a big thing of it.

You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. Did I say BO couldn't spend a dime on himself? You're the one who brought up the theater thing, and it had nothing to do with my reasoning for having him impeached.

TRACY:

Name one issue that Conse 'Pubs have backed off of since 9/08?

(Citizenship, Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright and The Fairness Doctrine)
In other words, Obama is an illegal alien, a terrorist, a racist, and against freedom of speech.

Is Obama deliberately ruining the country?

TAL

[Talvenada]

TRACY:

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

TAL

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

TRACY:

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

TAL

Hey TAL. Don't you think someone is jerking your chain?

[The Conquistador]

It needs a bailout!

http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-retir...-readytoretire

Don't look now. But even as the bank bailout is winding down, another huge bailout is starting, this time for the Social Security system.

A report from the Congressional Budget Office shows that for the first time in 25 years, Social Security is taking in less in taxes than it is spending on benefits.

Instead of helping to finance the rest of the government, as it has done for decades, our nation's biggest social program needs help from the Treasury to keep benefit checks from bouncing -- in other words, a taxpayer bailout.

All that money that was deducted from your paycheck for Social Security was spent the moment it came out; and now the Fed needs you to bailout their reckless spending habits!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

So, Roberts' flub caused Obama to flub, which brings Obama's citizenship and motives into question? Any reasonable person would agree with you that Obama needs to be questioned, because it's so obvious?

Try and follow along. I used the oath of office as an example that BO doesn't want any questions about the validity of his presidency. So why wouldn't he show his birth certificate for the same reason, especially since he wasn't even required to redo the oath of office.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

In their thinking there is NOTHING Obama can do to prove otherwise unless he meets each one in person to hand them an original of his birth certificate, and mark my words this issue will not go away until he leaves The WH--maybe, not even then.

I don't feel that way, and I doubt most other conservatives feel that way.

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Notice the recent use of the word r-ded once by R. Emanuel. Palin called for his resignation as the only way for the apology to mean anything, but Limbaugh uses the more offensive r-tard SIX times. That however is repeating Emanuel which is okay, and/or an affront to being to PC, which is more than okay.

Well Palin is wrong. She's letting her emotions about her retard child get in the way of policy. Political correctness is the problem, not freedom of speech.

Originally Posted by randolph

I think this whole issue of the birth certificate is nothing more than egregious racism.

Randolf, why is that racism? This should be standard procedure for ANY presidential candidate.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Is Obama deliberately ruining the country?

I've wondered that. Because after seeing what he's doing, he's either a complete moron or he's doing on it purpose. Trying to stay on that narrow line where he does the most damage, yet keeps from being impeached.

Before taking office he didn't mince words. He said he was going to fundamentally change America. Also that he wanted to spread the wealth around. He appointed communist revolutionaries as his czars.

He said under his plan for cap & trade, electricity rates would sky rocket. Gee, do you think that's wise to do when we were approaching 10% unemployment and the national debt was skyrocketing? This is either a stupid move or the policy of someone trying to ruin the country.

Have you heard of the Apollo Alliance? They combine environmental policy with labor and social justice. It's run by a self professed communist (although I'm sure that word isn't offensive to you guys). Van Jones was one of the founding members of Apollo. The founder of the corrupt organization, ACORN is also funding Apollo. Jeff Jones, one of the founders of the terrorist group Weather Underground was on the run for about a decade and then caught by the feds. After he got out of prison he now chairs the Apollo Alliance. The Apollo Alliance is a scary group of shady characters, ex-cons, and corrupt organizations. Why then would Obama and Harry Reid have the Apollo Alliance write much of the stimulus package?

When the country is undergoing financial crisis, which ACORN lobbied heavily for its major cause, only an idiot, or someone wanting to ruin the economy would tack on another several $trillion in debt not just last year, but each year following. All this is putting the credit rating of the US in danger. The federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point. Right now interest rates are being held artificially low. But eventually, probably before the end of BO's term, the government will have to raise interest rates at least 25% to recoup the money it printed. Don't say I didn't warn you... have your credit cards paid off!

Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven said the best way to bring about the change they sought was to get everyone on welfare, so that the system would eventually collapse under its own weight. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This is a way to change the country, not with revolutionary change, but evolutionary change. The end goal is the same though. A very strong case could be made that the radicals in the Obama administration, including the radical himself, are following the Cloward-Piven playbook to "Fundamentally change America".

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I've wondered that. Because after seeing what he's doing, he's either a complete moron or he's doing on it purpose. Trying to stay on that narrow line where he does the most damage, yet keeps from being impeached.

Before taking office he didn't mince words. He said he was going to fundamentally change America. Also that he wanted to spread the wealth around. He appointed communist revolutionaries as his czars.

He said under his plan for cap & trade, electricity rates would sky rocket. Gee, do you think that's wise to do when we were approaching 10% unemployment and the national debt was skyrocketing? This is either a stupid move or the policy of someone trying to ruin the country.

Have you heard of the Apollo Alliance? They combine environmental policy with labor and social justice. It's run by a self professed communist (although I'm sure that word isn't offensive to you guys). Van Jones was one of the founding members of Apollo. The founder of the corrupt organization, ACORN is also funding Apollo. Jeff Jones, one of the founders of the terrorist group Weather Underground was on the run for about a decade and then caught by the feds. After he got out of prison he now chairs the Apollo Alliance. The Apollo Alliance is a scary group of shady characters, ex-cons, and corrupt organizations. Why then would Obama and Harry Reid have the Apollo Alliance write much of the stimulus package?

When the country is undergoing financial crisis, which ACORN lobbied heavily for its major cause, only an idiot, or someone wanting to ruin the economy would tack on another several $trillion in debt not just last year, but each year following. All this is putting the credit rating of the US in danger. The federal debt limit was just raised almost 100% with Obama's 2010 budget, to $14.3 trillion vs. $7.8 trillion in 2005. The Congressional Budget Office predicts future deficits around 4% through 2020. Get it? America's debt at 84% of GDP will soon pass that toxic 90% trigger point. Right now interest rates are being held artificially low. But eventually, probably before the end of BO's term, the government will have to raise interest rates at least 25% to recoup the money it printed. Don't say I didn't warn you... have your credit cards paid off!

Columbia University sociologists Richard Andrew Cloward and his wife Frances Fox Piven said the best way to bring about the change they sought was to get everyone on welfare, so that the system would eventually collapse under its own weight. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse. This is a way to change the country, not with revolutionary change, but evolutionary change. The end goal is the same though. A very strong case could be made that the radicals in the Obama administration, including the radical himself, are following the Cloward-Piven playbook to "Fundamentally change America".

TRACY:


Paragraph 1: Debate you that Obama is ruining the country deliberately?

Paragraph 2: Debate you about the admin. of commies and czars?

Paragraph 3: Debate you that Obama said electricity rates would skyrocket with his approval?

Paragraph 4: Debate you that the admin. is filled with commies, crooks, and terrorists from day 1, and that these people are controlling legislation?

Paragraph 5: Debate you on numbers from 2020 that are presented as fact, which are presented as 100% due to Obama?

Paragraph 6: Debate you that this is an admin. filled with radicals, run by a radical? That's what Hannity and Levin believe.


With the reality of these issues, I would blow you off?

TAL

[Talvenada]

[QUOTE=TracyCoxx;131281]Yeah it was Roberts who flubbed it, but it caused BO to flub it as well, which is why he redid it. My point remains.

QUOTE]

TRACY:

Randy doesn't think you're being serious.

Set him straight.

TAL