Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

As Americans, we believe that people should be responsible for themselves. We believe in a capitalist system and not a communist or socialist one. As Americans, we believe that it's every person's right to be unrestrained by government -- so that every person can truly be free -- and, as a result, we have a Heaven sent right to make something of ourselves FOR ourselves.

CreativeMind, I like what you wrote (except for the heaven sent part as I am an atheist), but I have to admit to myself though, that if this were true about Americans, why are presidential races against liberal candidates so close, and why is this race looking like the most Marxist candidate ever will win? This should easily be a landslide against Obama.


p.s. I'm still hoping Hank answers my question: What has the US done that makes your life a living hell in Indonesia?

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

CreativeMind, I like what you wrote (except for the heaven sent part as I am an atheist), but I have to admit to myself though, that if this were true about Americans, why are presidential races against liberal candidates so close, and why is this race looking like the most Marxist candidate ever will win? This should easily be a landslide against Obama

Hello, Tracy! I've never really said hello to you on these boards, but I just wanted to say I think the political comments you always make are spot and and brilliant. You've done an excellent job all through the campaign season arguing a certain perspective with facts and intelligence, so bravo you.

As for the mention of religion, well, see my post right above.
But as I said, to each his own.

And as for why these contests are always so close, my personal belief is because as a nation we've become split right down the middle. When Bush beat Gore due to the Florida recount, everyone got so hung up on the actual WAY the ballots were being counted that they missed the far bigger picture. I have friends who are heavily involved in politics and let me tell you, from their insider view, they all recognized the seismic earthquake that was happening. It started with Reagan motivating the Right...but pissing off the Left...and then Clinton motivating the Left...but pissing off the Right. By the end of Clinton's term in office, the battle lines were now forever drawn.

When Bush narrowly beat Gore, all my political friends said "This only confirms the notion of how split we are. But like any good scientific theory, we need to run the test again to see if we get the same results. So, in 4 years we're going to see IF the rift is REAL. In other words, for better or for worse, we're going to discover how much each side really hates the other." And sure enough, Bush managed to beat Kerry (taking both the electoral college and the popular vote) -- but it was another squeaker and now the Left was more angry than ever before.

And that hatred has reached a boiling point, as evidenced by the way the Left and the media have demonized Sarah Palin -- who lest we forget just happens to be a full sitting Governor, has her state's economy on completely track and is even running a budget surplus, and who actually has the highest approval rating of ANY Governor in the United States by that state's actual citizens. And yes, I'm one of those who will firmly argue that Sarah Palin does have far more hands on and practical managerial experience running a government office than Obama could ever DREAM of claiming, which makes him even more of an utter joke to me.

But going back to your core question asking "why" these elections are so close, I think it's simply because half of the country now is truly, truly Right -- meanwhile half of the country is truly, truly Left. And the Left just loves the idea of taxing the rich. Hell, even today idiot Barney Frank (who should be tossed into jail for his role in the mortgage scandals) was asked how Obama could EVER hope to pay for all of his promises, to which Frank then replied: "I'm sure we can always find more rich people to tax." That's the modern Left for you. The see ever-rising taxation as the easy path to securing money for either spreading around willy nilly orfor tossing at more worthless social engineering programs.

And yes -- as harsh as this might sound -- these modern elections are close because of the so-called "poor" in this country...I'm talking about the 40% who don't pay any taxes AT ALL...but who likewise get a vote on election day. So, right now that's 40% of the country who are backing Obama because he's running around promising them "Hey, elect me and you'll get the sweetest deal of all. Not only will you NOT have to pay taxes, but I'll ALSO take money from the other 60% and just GIVE IT TO YOU."

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Hello, Tracy! I've never really said hello to you on these boards, but I just wanted to say I think the political comments you always make are spot and and brilliant. You've done an excellent job all through the campaign season arguing a certain perspective with facts and intelligence, so bravo you.

Thank you And hello to you!

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yes -- as harsh as this might sound -- these modern elections are close because of the so-called "poor" in this country...I'm talking about the 40% who don't pay any taxes AT ALL...but who likewise get a vote on election day. So, right now that's 40% of the country who are backing Obama because he's running around promising them "Hey, elect me and you'll get the sweetest deal of all. Not only will you NOT have to pay taxes, but I'll ALSO take money from the other 60% and just GIVE IT TO YOU."

Well that's the point I was getting at above. We are not the capitalist nation we once were. We are slowly changing because more and more of the population is realizing they can vote themselves an income.

Alexander Tytler (1747-1813) said:

Originally Posted by Tytler

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.

Socialism is a cancer. First acts of charity are legislated for a few members of the population. Then more people start saying 'what about me', and more and more until the majority of the population has pretty much given up and will vote themselves generous gifts from the treasury. It reaches the point that the conservative politicians must start promising social welfare programs just to get elected (see McCain and Bush Jr). The cancer grows and grows until it becomes fatal. Since these races are so close these days, it suggests that the day is nearly here when the majority of the population is socialist, and then it's a slippery slope to financial meltdown. There is no way that a shrinking portion of the population can continue to support the growing portion of deadbeats.

Now it might be after Obama has wrecked the economy by taxing companies in the middle of a recession/near-depression that people will realize like they did after Carter that we need a real conservative in office. These lessons are costly though. Any time you have a far left liberal in office there will be lasting scars, like Carters Community Reinvestment Act, which ultimately developed into the global financial crisis we have today. But what do you do... every other generation of young idealistic bright eyed commies must learn the hard way.