Barack Obama

what is the point of the elections in the US, they have already rigged them twice now. i think its quite likly that obama will get in, and i think he is the rite man for the job. but if he gets in you have to ask yourself why whoever it was rigged the election in favor of republicans the last two times why they haven't done it again. i also think if he is elected it will be verry likly that he will be assasinated. (their is still alot of racist people in america, some overtly and alot covertly, they are happy to live next door to a black man but they don't wan't one in power.) they done it to the kenedys and they where white, so i doubt they'll think twice about doing it to a black man.
america has produced some of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, the kenedy's, martin luther king malcom X martin luther king JR.
and also some of the biggest cunts ever, J edgar hoover, richard milhause nixon, george HW bush and george W bush.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

I do not think a lone nutter could kill the US president now. The security checks are just too good, I don't see any crazy white supremacists getting through it.

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

If Obama gets in, he won't be whacked, the clever racists will sit tight, they know he can't do much in 4 years, and the crazy ones will be too crazy to get past his security.


Even if he was look what happened with JFK, as soon that bullet touched his crunchy little cranium, the Civil Rights act was pretty much guaranteed to go through, who would be callous enough to vote against a dead man's bill. If Obama got spatted (especially by a tent head) it would be such a huge uproar it would probably cause a bigger upheaval than if he was just quietly president. Obama is not really radical, and he's not really going to change much, but if he had his brains splattered all over his limo, imagine the outrage, there would be riots in the streets, the US would be shaken to the core, who knows what would happen by hte time the dust settles.

[sesame]

Anna, how romantic you are about Obama's brains!

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

the mob or the cia.

[sesame]

According to conspiracy theorists, JF Kennedy was assassinated not by Lee Harvey Oswald but a well-coordinated group of people connected to the US Govt. Kennedy was an obstruction to the interests of war-loving military officials and politicians and businessmen. Poor disturbed oswald couldnt have pulled it or shoot him from multiple angles alone. Also, his autopsy was very poorly done and the report was edited.

[jimnaseum]

Rove won the elections because he played to 51% of the voters and against 49%. They are businessmen, not leaders. The Iraq War was a hostile business takeover.
Obama is a desciple of a 1930s Activist named Saul Alinsky. He said there are two kinds of power: Money and People.
You can thank George Bush for electing the first black President who will finally look out for the people.
But I'm superstitious. You never know when something really bad is going to happen.

the second gunman on the grassy noel

[jimnaseum]

The grassy NOEL, RD? Are you saying the new baby Jesus was killed in an errant drive-by?

I think there really is a chance Obama could be a fantastic President. I'll have to see who he chooses as VP, I want 16 years of Social healing and the return of the middle class. I hope the real deal hasn't shown his cards yet, and we can put this disgraceful 8 years behind us. Bush and Reagan were cardboard cut-outs. I think Obama has real vision. Can he do it? That's the question. All the money is long gone.
As always, hope for the best, expect the worst.

[cumfucius1]

Originally Posted by sesame

According to conspiracy theorists, JF Kennedy was assassinated not by Lee Harvey Oswald but a well-coordinated group of people connected to the US Govt. Kennedy was an obstruction to the interests of war-loving military officials and politicians and businessmen. Poor disturbed oswald couldnt have pulled it or shoot him from multiple angles alone. Also, his autopsy was very poorly done and the report was edited.

The idea made for a pretty good Oliver Stone movie but I am sorry there was no conspiracy. Oswald was a loner with a twisted need to belong to something or anything to feel important. Unfortunately trained as a marine to be an expert with a rifle.

[JohnTB]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

The Kennedys were not killed by white supremacists, they were killed by the mob, Malcom X was killed by his own people, the Nation of Islam, and Martin Luther King was only killed after he spoke out against Vietnam and poverty and the FBI stopped protecting him.

the mob or the cia.

OK, Where's the beef ?? tHE EXPRESSION ALLUDES TO THE EVIDENCE - STATEMENTS MADE BY YOU ARE PRESENTED AS FACTS - THEY ARE NOT - SUSPICIONS, OPINIONS, SOME OTHER ADJECTIVES WITH WORDS I WON'T USE HERE - BUT NOT FACTS....

Show me the beef!!!!

[TracyCoxx]

The Dow is over 9000 again and housing has had the biggest growth in 7 months. Is it time to start praising BO's economic recovery plan?

No. Money from Tarp (the spendulous package) hasn't even begun flowing yet. So to all of you (I think Jen said this) who said "should we just do nothing?", yes... if nothing means let capitalism fix itself, that's what is happening now. Of course all that will be sabotaged when BO's economic recovery begins to save us with monstrous taxes. It will be defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, and unemployment will continue to rise and inflation will skyrocket. Add to that cap & trade and the health care fiasco and BO's buddy Bill Ayers will be left flabbergasted at how much more effective Obama has been than he was in his war against capitalism.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

The Dow is over 9000 again and housing has had the biggest growth in 7 months. Is it time to start praising BO's economic recovery plan?

No. Money from Tarp (the spendulous package) hasn't even begun flowing yet. So to all of you (I think Jen said this) who said "should we just do nothing?", yes... if nothing means let capitalism fix itself, that's what is happening now. Of course all that will be sabotaged when BO's economic recovery begins to save us with monstrous taxes. It will be defeat snatched from the jaws of victory, and unemployment will continue to rise and inflation will skyrocket. Add to that cap & trade and the health care fiasco and BO's buddy Bill Ayers will be left flabbergasted at how much more effective Obama has been than he was in his war against capitalism.

Come on Tracy, don't you realize who Obama is bailing out? He is bailing out your buddies the capitalists! The capitalists are the ones that fucked up the economy with their relentless greed and now we the taxpayers have to save their asses. If it was up to me, I would drag their bonus stuffed asses through the streets! Obama is on your side!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Come on Tracy, don't you realize who Obama is bailing out? He is bailing out your buddies the capitalists! The capitalists are the ones that fucked up the economy with their relentless greed and now we the taxpayers have to save their asses. If it was up to me, I would drag their bonus stuffed asses through the streets! Obama is on your side!

That was old news. It was in their contracts to receive bonuses. The white house doesn't have the authority to change that. Although they would if they allowed the companies to declare bankruptcy. But the method preferred by Omama is to give them millions, and THEN let them go bankrupt. Anyway, the democrats considered ways to prevent them from getting their bonuses. They would do a retroactive tax at about 90%. Just for them. Only thing is that violated the constitution. You can't make a law to punish someone retroactively for something that was legal when they did it. So the white house made it clear to the companies that they would not be handing out the bonuses.

Now for the other side of the story... The asswipes that put those companies in financial trouble were long gone with their large severance pay. The companies hired new executives to clean up the mess. Those executives were payed $1. Their real salary was the bonuses that would come later. So they worked 60-80 hour weeks, restructuring the companies, and putting them back on track financially. Then it comes time for them to receive their bonuses. Their bosses tell them sorry. There will be no bonuses at the request of the president. I hope you understand.

[JohnTB]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

what is the point of the elections in the US, they have already rigged them twice now. i think its quite likly that obama will get in, and i think he is the rite man for the job. but if he gets in you have to ask yourself why whoever it was rigged the election in favor of republicans the last two times why they haven't done it again. i also think if he is elected it will be verry likly that he will be assasinated. (their is still alot of racist people in america, some overtly and alot covertly, they are happy to live next door to a black man but they don't wan't one in power.) they done it to the kenedys and they where white, so i doubt they'll think twice about doing it to a black man.
america has produced some of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, the kenedy's, martin luther king malcom X martin luther king JR.
and also some of the biggest cunts ever, J edgar hoover, richard milhause nixon, george HW bush and george W bush.

What a shame you are allowed to make such an ignorant (lacking knowledge) opening statement. You obviously failed American Government 101 and have no earthly idea of how the system works, either the general vote or the Electoral college (a genius system that prevents the uban centers from controlling the outcome of elections - study the American Sytem and you will learn alot. It is not the BEST possible sysem, but, it is the best in the free world.

You said. "...I think it is quite likely obama will get in...I think he is the rite man for the job..." Obviously, you aren't thinking: rite should be right; and obama should be Obama. Additionally, he is a naive ("...I will sit down face-to-face with..." the PM of Iran without pre-conditions {how absurd}); inexperienced (143 days in the US Senate {total Federal experience) at time of nomination; and, untested in administering government or any large organization or in foreign affairs of any sort; a state legislator who could not commit to a vote on important issues (voted 'Present' [as opposed to yes or no] on more pieces of legislation in the Illinois Legislature than anyone ever). I could go on and on and on...but I won't.

It is a sad day in America when the Democratic Party puts forward their most inexerieced candidate and he only won against the other most inexperienced candidate because the Party big shots tried to strong arm two independent State Partys and elimated them from the nomination vote, as punishement.

Read some facts; stop reading only the New Yorks Times/BBC News and stop drinking the the left wing propaganda Kool Aid.

It is also a sad day for America when the Republican Party can nominate a right of center candidate who wants to give illegal immigrants a free ride (Amnesty) and a blank check for Federal welfare when they are already destroying the American economy just to fatten up the big business purses. (PS: Obama favors the bill too.)

I have no use for either of them...or GW!!!!!

Enough said (but, please become informed and smart about a topic before you write. PLEASE!

[hankhavelock]

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so... in general we have such deep differences on what is the right system for humans to live under, but I'll keep trying... :-)

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama. In spite of all the sinister spins and hideous stuff, a majority of Americans still seem to withstand the pressure of the ultra right.

For that I salute you all. And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

You are SO close to re-establish the American "brand".

This is the most important election in my life time... probably in yours too!

Peace, yawll! Go DO it! Make us all proud of you Americans! Make us all once again believe in the sanity of the United States of America!

GObama!

H

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Tracy honey, I'll get back to your comments in a week or so...

Hankypoo. Since you are unwilling or unable to answer how America makes your life such a living hell over there in Indonesia, I'll just have to assume you're one of those America haters. So there's no point in educating you on the merits of a capitalist system. It's one of those you get it or you don't things. I don't see how it affects life in Indonesia. I can't imagine the general population there waking up, planning on doing something and saying "Blast! I can't! Because of those DAMN AMERICANS!!!". At least up until now, the majority of Americans got it. I have no illusions that McCain will win this election, so next week have a ball yucking it up.

Don't worry about me, I will be fine. I'm more than halfway through paying off my house with a low interest rate, so I won't be one of the one's paying off a 20+% home loan that will be waiting for us by the end of Obama's term. I live close enough to work that I can ride my bike if I have to, so I don't need to wait in the gas lines that will be coming. Obama wants to expand the government and I work for the government so I shouldn't be one of the ones in the double digit unemployment rate we'll have. And if I do loose my job, I can just mooch off of the paychecks of other people who work hard in the work force. Obama's policies are obviously doomed to failure just as making loans to poor minorities was obviously doomed to failure. Apparently a large portion of Americans need to learn this the hard way, and in 4 more years, hopefully they'll see the light and get back on track - as they had after making the mistake of electing Carter and coming together to elect Reagan.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

What is swell here is that in spite of the intense republican campaign that has tried to make us believe that Barack Obama is a socialist, a muslim and an anti-American then the American people still seem to favour Barack Obama.

I know, poor Obama... Having to bear the company of all those America-hating people around him like his parents, pastor, teachers, fellow students, business partners, wife, etc, and being stuck with a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father, having to go through Muslim teachings. Having to grimace and bear through all those socialist meetings he attended and having to humor all his socialist friends.... while all the while he's a true blue anti-socialist, bible thumping American patriot. Finally as president he'll be able to put that miserable past and those miserable associates behind him and he can start whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And I'll be the first to truly salute you once you have the guts to elect the first black man for President of the United States of America.

I asked this question of someone else, and naturally got no answer, so I'll ask you (despite your long history of ignoring my questions):

Why do so many people think the idea of a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hankypoo. Since you are unwilling or unable to answer how America makes your life such a living hell over there in Indonesia, I'll just have to assume you're one of those America haters. So there's no point in educating you on the merits of a capitalist system. It's one of those you get it or you don't things. I don't see how it affects life in Indonesia. I can't imagine the general population there waking up, planning on doing something and saying "Blast! I can't! Because of those DAMN AMERICANS!!!". At least up until now, the majority of Americans got it. I have no illusions that McCain will win this election, so next week have a ball yucking it up.

Don't worry about me, I will be fine. I'm more than halfway through paying off my house with a low interest rate, so I won't be one of the one's paying off a 20+% home loan that will be waiting for us by the end of Obama's term. I live close enough to work that I can ride my bike if I have to, so I don't need to wait in the gas lines that will be coming. Obama wants to expand the government and I work for the government so I shouldn't be one of the ones in the double digit unemployment rate we'll have. And if I do loose my job, I can just mooch off of the paychecks of other people who work hard in the work force. Obama's policies are obviously doomed to failure just as making loans to poor minorities was obviously doomed to failure. Apparently a large portion of Americans need to learn this the hard way, and in 4 more years, hopefully they'll see the light and get back on track - as they had after making the mistake of electing Carter and coming together to elect Reagan.

I know, poor Obama... Having to bear the company of all those America-hating people around him like his parents, pastor, teachers, fellow students, business partners, wife, etc, and being stuck with a Muslim middle name, a Muslim father, having to go through Muslim teachings. Having to grimace and bear through all those socialist meetings he attended and having to humor all his socialist friends.... while all the while he's a true blue anti-socialist, bible thumping American patriot. Finally as president he'll be able to put that miserable past and those miserable associates behind him and he can start whistling Yankee Doodle Dandy.



I asked this question of someone else, and naturally got no answer, so I'll ask you (despite your long history of ignoring my questions):

Why do so many people think the idea of a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

No not at all - I'm certainly not one of your America haters - I just dislike fascism and George Bush and all what he stands for. His stupidity, his arrogance, his completely failed policy, his pseudo patriotism ("If you're not for me, you're against America..." and crap like that that he and his like-minded keep insinuating). He is luckily not the concept of America that I have met and respect.

He has in general made it considerably harder to be a Westener anywhere in the world. My comments are per se not specifically geared toward Indonesia. He's merely a dumb guy who never should have been elected... and now he'll laugh his ass off and ride into the sunshine to collect his fat pension, apparently totally unaware of the fact that he has left the world so much worse off than eight years ago.

I hope you don't suggest that one has to love George Bush to like America?

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent. Aside from that, I belive his policy is promising. He is a bridge builder and can hopefully mend some of the terrible wounds that your friend George Bush amBUSHED this world with.

So yes, I am certainly hoping for the best in these coming hours - for the whole bloody world!

Peace!

H

[TSBBG]

There is an old song by the Who called 'Won't get fooled again'. One of the lines is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.

[hankhavelock]

What can I say? This is, indeed, a glorious day! A wonderful day for us all. For you Americans and the rest of us likewise.

God bless the result! Barack Obama did it! We did it!

Barack Obama, President-elect.

Congratulations to us all!

Peace!

Hank

Originally Posted by TSBBG

There is an old song by the Who called 'Won't get fooled again'. One of the lines is 'meet the new boss, same as the old boss'.

Sure hope not.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I just dislike fascism and George Bush and all what he stands for.

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

He has in general made it considerably harder to be a Westener anywhere in the world.

Bush is not president of the western world. You're from northern Europe right? Whatever they say about Bush does not apply to you. If they think one western country is the same as all western countries that's ignorant. Rise above it.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

I hope you don't suggest that one has to love George Bush to like America?

What have I ever said about Bush except to correct your error in saying he's a fascist?

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent.

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president. But he has hardly any track record. What little track record he does have is unimpressive. (i.e. in the Illinois state Senate he voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe.) When tough issues come up in the world, he's going to have to take a stand. My guess is he'll ask his advisers. Perhaps they should be president instead. His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

[twistedone]

One thing I never talk about in a sex forum is politics.

The man won, lets hope he is better than Bush. For that matter, anything is better than Bush. George Bush that is.

The other kind of Bush is good.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Coming from a person who just posted a video of Lenin and Stalin with the Soviet national anthem playing in reference to Obama victory.

You know what's worse than an ignorant bullshitter, a hypocritical ignorant bullshitter.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

He's not fascist. Hitler was fascist. If you cannot see the difference, then I think that speaks for itself.

Bush is not president of the western world. You're from northern Europe right? Whatever they say about Bush does not apply to you. If they think one western country is the same as all western countries that's ignorant. Rise above it.

What have I ever said about Bush except to correct your error in saying he's a fascist?

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president. But he has hardly any track record. What little track record he does have is unimpressive. (i.e. in the Illinois state Senate he voted 130 times 'present.' That's not yes, that's not no. That's maybe.) When tough issues come up in the world, he's going to have to take a stand. My guess is he'll ask his advisers. Perhaps they should be president instead. His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

TracyBaby, it would seem that the essense keeps escaping you... if you cannot grasp the importance of what has happened and if you cannot even in your right-wing little heart salute the beauty of it all, then I rest my case.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

And regarding why it is "brilliant" that a black man gets the presidency? Not only is that in itself of immense historical value for all non-whites (in the whole world), but it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

But that's the thing. If he did have talent and experience and has some kind of track record to his name (hopefully a good track record), then I wouldn't mind so much that he's president.
...

His experience? He's the least experienced person to become president in over 100 years. The only talent he has is in giving speeches. Make that reading speeches, he's pretty bad when he's ad libing. He'd make a better public relations person. But putting his lack of experience aside, and his call for 'change' and 'hope'. When you listen to what he says... There's nothing American to it.

So to your comment 'it is a break with former times inherent racism and is very true to the original American spirit of no judgement based on any thing but talent' is complete BS. He is president because of his race and not because of his talent. That is not the American way. That's the Affirmative Action way.

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

TracyBaby, it would seem that the essense keeps escaping you... if you cannot grasp the importance of what has happened and if you cannot even in your right-wing little heart salute the beauty of it all, then I rest my case.

Ok, so for Hank's reason for why we need a black president regardless of experience or his political leanings is "beauty"... reason ascertained: because America just needs a black president.

Well I guess that about wraps it up. Kind of anti-climactic I'd say. For some reason I thought you had more depth than that.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Ok, so for Hank's reason for why we need a black president regardless of experience or his political leanings is "beauty"... reason ascertained: because America just needs a black president.

Well I guess that about wraps it up. Kind of anti-climactic I'd say. For some reason I thought you had more depth than that.

Tracy, you hot goddess... I'm about as deep as a burned out pan cake without a pan... ;-)

No, you just keep insisting on your own agenda and repeating the same old ultra right wing stuff no matter what I say, so I figured it better to just let it rest.

BLACK POWER! ;-)

I still adore you, though!

Malcolm XXX