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10-16-2008
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Obama presents his case well. If he were a PR person for a large company, he would do very well. McCain isn't so good at communicating his policies, but he has better policies. If McCain was the CEO of a large company, he would do very well. The PR person will always sound like they have it together more than the CEO does, but that doesn't mean they are capable of running the company.
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10-17-2008
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Now we can hold our breath for 18 more days, and if things work out the way they should for the good of the world (and your country as well), then we can start picking up the pieces left by 8 years of fascist Republican policy making. Peace! Hank
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10-17-2008
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y'know i would be really surprised if barack doesn't win coz with all the financial trouble the wons who are coming out on top of it all are the democrats and i think this is a very good time for obama to do that last sprint to presidency
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10-17-2008
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Whatever... it's time that fascism, laissez-faire economics, neo-conservatism, misinterpretated religion and other nasty stuff finally give way to true liberalism and socially just democracies - even in America! The old guard is getting smaller, so there is hope that even America can become a country where at least a minor degree of true brotherly love can again find its way into an otherwise super capitalistic, hypocritical system. Maybe you will even be able to call yourself a democracy again in time... Jesse Ventura will probably not be as hopeful... ;-)
The nasty thing is that George Bush and all the corrupt directors will ride out into the sunset to their fat pensions... unchallenged. They created this shit, they will never pay for their mess. And trust me, neither will THEIR children... but YOURs will... my "friends", as the weird man keeps yelling... pathetic Republicans... Sorry, guys... I just so intensely dislike the complete lack of social fairness and solidarity that seems to be more and more the style in and a brand of your country. And the more fascistic the messages, the more "patriotic" they apparently are - judged by the "real and truly" well-thinking Americans... May Obama come asap! He is your only hope! He is every body's only hope! For goodness sake! Democrats, go VOTE! Peace and lots of FUNK! H
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10-21-2008
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If you keep talking that way, Hank, then I can promise you this: you're going to seal the election, but for McCain. Since you're in Indonesia perhaps you haven't been witness to the latest news craze here in the States, which centers around "Joe the Plumber." Long story short, he was just an ordinary guy who Obama came upon as he was walking through a crowd and shaking hands, at which point "Joe" -- as just an average working guy -- asked Obama face-to-face about his tax plans. And in a move of utter stupidity...right on camera and for all the world to see....Obama revealed his true ultra Liberal colors by talking about how he WOULD raise taxes and take money from successful people, all because he believes in "spreading the wealth around." And those were his words, not mine. You see, Hank, here in America -- where you seem to think we are fascists (?!?) or that we have no social justice (which I would disagree with by arguing back that the USA has the greatest degree of social freedoms and justice in the world) -- we pride ourselves on ONE core belief. As Americans, we believe that people should be responsible for themselves. We believe in a capitalist system and not a communist or socialist one. As Americans, we believe that it's every person's right to be unrestrained by government -- so that every person can truly be free -- and, as a result, we have a Heaven sent right to make something of ourselves FOR ourselves. We also believe that if you save your money, then it's your money. And if you start up your own business and go from having pennies in your pocket to making your first million dollars, then that money should be yours, too. If you earned it, you get to keep it. But I'll also tell you this. As Americans, we do NOT believe that anyone should be allowed to take your hard earned money "to spread the wealth around" in a socialist manner. Nor do we believe that someone...like Obama...should be allowed to take your money to reward others who are poor NOT because of hardships they've faced in life, but because they were simply too lazy to get off their ass and work a bit harder -- or work at all. In America, we do have a "welfare" system...a security net to help those who are disadvantaged or down on their luck...yet we also believe those self-same people have a personal responsibility to get OFF of welfare and eventually make their own way in life. We believe no one who is able-bodied or able-minded should be getting a free ride. Well, unless you're truly handicapped or crippled or something drastic like that, in which case we're then the most sympathetic of nations. So, with all of that in mind, what was the fallout from Obama saying he wants to "spread the wealth around"? What was the reaction from having so many Liberal Democrats suddenly being on TV and thumping their chests and echoing Obama's pro-socialist thoughts just because they thought they had this election in hand? Well, I'll tell you what happened... ...As of today the race has drastically tightened. Obama's poll numbers have dropped. In fact, of the 5 "swing states" which could determine this election, Obama's lead in 3 of them has now dropped to the margin of error (meaning on election day he could lose them entirely) AND in the 2 other key swing states of Florida and Ohio, McCain has once again taken the lead. In fact, in Florida -- which determined the Bush election -- McCain benefited from a 6 point swing just over the weekend due to Obama's stupid wealth spreading plan. In short: it's NEVER a good thing to lecture Americans on "true liberalism" or to lecture us on how we need to become a more "socially just" place. True ultra left liberalism is NOT who we are at heart. It's NOT a political philosophy that our country was founded on back in 1776 -- in fact, it's the polar opposite, which is why the average American voter...even to this day...still opposes it so much. So saying things like that -- as Obama has now found out -- only acts like a bucket of cold water to the face, at which point Americans remember that we LIKE being capitalists and we DO believe that our ways are superior. At which point we'll vote for the President who will give the middle finger to the rest of the "liberal and socialist" countries of the world because we, as Americans, want NO part of that. |
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10-21-2008
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In contradictionary to that many European countries(not the easten ones) the word socialism have stand for something very good, justice, equality, fairness when its achived in the democratic socialdemocratic cote, not of cuz in the twisted comunist/socialist cote that comes from the former Sovietunion, thats another story. In many western european countrues like in Scandinavia and Germany has succeeded to create strong welfare states who has combined the econmical strengt of the efficient capatalist market and good social security and benefits for the citizens by economical transformations by taxes, This kind of politic should be totally political impossible to achiv in America cuz of its historical traditions and heritage and the opposit, Americas politics should be totally political impossible to archive in many westeurpean countries cuz of their traditions and historical heritage.. Americans often see Comunism and twisted socialism in its Soviet version when they hear about liberalism, socialism etc they are not able to separate socialdemocrats from Soviet comunism, who is two total different things.. Europeans instead often see fairness and justice when they hear about american liberalism and they often see the average Americans opinions as egoistic, primitive and brutal..there people are left on their own and blamed if they failed in life as always their own fault.. This total different views often creates collisions and missunderstandings between them..is it ever possible to make a bridge between this two mentallity gaps and create a constructive dialogue..? /Limegirl |
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10-22-2008
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The best example is what Hank wrote and reading what I wrote, and then realizing how apart we actually are. Now, I've never met Hank (so hello, Hank!) but based on his posts at this site I'll take a guess and assume that he's basically an okay guy. Or least he seems to be. And in return I'd like to think that I'm a pretty nice guy, too! But the second that someone like Hank starts saying that America (as a country) and that we as Americans (as a people) need to be more Liberal and Leftist or more Socialistic or Progressive (or whatever term you want to pick) in our political beliefs -- or in the way that we act as a society -- is the moment that he's going to lose a lot of listeners -- at least here in America -- since those political beliefs that he likes to espouse are 180 degrees and completely opposite from what Americans actually believe in. Now, the rest of the world might not like hearing that. The rest of the world may feel that America somehow "owes it to them" to bend to their global will or their personal requests, but it just isn't going to happen. And that's because the minute the rest of the world starts making demands on America is the moment that we, as Americans, will remember WHY our country was founded in the first place. Namely, it was created by people who came here because they REJECTED European political beliefs. And I hate to break this to the Euro crowd out there, but here in America we like you...we're happy to be your friends...but we still feel the exact same way that we did over 200 years ago. Which means we STILL reject your European concepts of government or your particular views on how a society should be ruled. |
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10-21-2008
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10-21-2008
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Obama will indict Bush, Cheney, Rove, and several Republican members of Congress which will effectively disable the party for years (in February)
Obama will Slash military spending on million dollar ordinance but will increase Army payroll by inducting every black, hispanic, and criminal in a kind of "FDR Welfare Army" to improve infrastructure and patrols at the Mexico border. Obama will risk Nuclear war with Pakistan within 8 months of becoming President. Obama will be shot twice but survive, impoving his "street cred" Iraq will go to Hell. The US will be a cooler place to live than Europe. US Billionaires will all move to Europe after President Biden imposes flat tax of 50% |
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10-22-2008
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And I'm not ashamed to admit my beliefs. And as an American, I'm proud that I see eye-to-eye on this matter with our Founding Fathers -- and the elegant words of Thomas Jefferson -- who on July 4, 1776, signed the Declaration of Independence to create America with these resounding words... When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness... "Endowed by their Creator (that's Creator with a capital "C") with certain unalienable rights." That sure sounds like a Heaven sent right to me! |
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10-22-2008
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p.s. I'm still hoping Hank answers my question: What has the US done that makes your life a living hell in Indonesia?
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10-22-2008
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As for the mention of religion, well, see my post right above. But as I said, to each his own. And as for why these contests are always so close, my personal belief is because as a nation we've become split right down the middle. When Bush beat Gore due to the Florida recount, everyone got so hung up on the actual WAY the ballots were being counted that they missed the far bigger picture. I have friends who are heavily involved in politics and let me tell you, from their insider view, they all recognized the seismic earthquake that was happening. It started with Reagan motivating the Right...but pissing off the Left...and then Clinton motivating the Left...but pissing off the Right. By the end of Clinton's term in office, the battle lines were now forever drawn. When Bush narrowly beat Gore, all my political friends said "This only confirms the notion of how split we are. But like any good scientific theory, we need to run the test again to see if we get the same results. So, in 4 years we're going to see IF the rift is REAL. In other words, for better or for worse, we're going to discover how much each side really hates the other." And sure enough, Bush managed to beat Kerry (taking both the electoral college and the popular vote) -- but it was another squeaker and now the Left was more angry than ever before. And that hatred has reached a boiling point, as evidenced by the way the Left and the media have demonized Sarah Palin -- who lest we forget just happens to be a full sitting Governor, has her state's economy on completely track and is even running a budget surplus, and who actually has the highest approval rating of ANY Governor in the United States by that state's actual citizens. And yes, I'm one of those who will firmly argue that Sarah Palin does have far more hands on and practical managerial experience running a government office than Obama could ever DREAM of claiming, which makes him even more of an utter joke to me. But going back to your core question asking "why" these elections are so close, I think it's simply because half of the country now is truly, truly Right -- meanwhile half of the country is truly, truly Left. And the Left just loves the idea of taxing the rich. Hell, even today idiot Barney Frank (who should be tossed into jail for his role in the mortgage scandals) was asked how Obama could EVER hope to pay for all of his promises, to which Frank then replied: "I'm sure we can always find more rich people to tax." That's the modern Left for you. The see ever-rising taxation as the easy path to securing money for either spreading around willy nilly orfor tossing at more worthless social engineering programs. And yes -- as harsh as this might sound -- these modern elections are close because of the so-called "poor" in this country...I'm talking about the 40% who don't pay any taxes AT ALL...but who likewise get a vote on election day. So, right now that's 40% of the country who are backing Obama because he's running around promising them "Hey, elect me and you'll get the sweetest deal of all. Not only will you NOT have to pay taxes, but I'll ALSO take money from the other 60% and just GIVE IT TO YOU." |
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10-24-2008
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George Bush and his hired hoods (or is he, actually, the pawn in the game) have SO broken away from the traditional American approach which used to be based on respect for humanity. No more. Ronald Reagan, God bless his soul, came forward as probably the most innovative American politician in foreign affairs since... since I don't even know, when an American president made such a significant difference. Your current administration is not only reaping the fruits of his work, they are misusing it in a sense to which the American brand is effectively destroying itself. Is that what you want, my man? Are you truly so arrogant that you believe that your country can exist in love, peace and harmony DESPITE the rest of the world? Wisen up! I'm not a socialist - never! However, having a bit of solidarity for the folks less fortunate in our socalled equal Western societies is not a crime... or is it? Actually, that's not only good morale, it's also good business. But good business aside, I come from a country where every body bitches about high taxes, but if you really dig deep into it, people (even the rich of us) appreciate a system where solidarity and taking care of those less fortunate is the cornerstone of democracy. Barack Obama will not make America into a socialist nation - that's ridiculous! He'll be better for American economy than any republican ever was. And a bit of wealth-redistribution is necessary to make a democracy work. Nobody wants to pay more taxes than they have to - but the sane ones of us realize that without a degree of wealth-redistribution, chaos and lassez-faire follows. Need I refer to the current financial crisis? No true democracy can work without a sincere concern for the less fortunate among us. If we cannot accept a system that puts it at its forefront to deal with poverty, then we are not democrats (with a small d). Adam Smith and Karl Marx are equally outdated... The current American rethoric and waging of war has made it harder to be a Westerner in this world. It's time for an optimistic change. Barack will to a degree bring that. Peace (love and harmony)! HankyPanky
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10-24-2008
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But to Tracy, Creative Mind and all the other hard core right wingers here - I disagree with your views so deeply and so whole-heartedly - I think you are living in another century - but I enjoy our ability to have a good talk and "fight" here at this good forum.
Let's stay friends, and may you and the rest of the world all have a good election in a little bit more than a week ;-) GObama!
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10-24-2008
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10-17-2008
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10-22-2008
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10-22-2008
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So the banks started making some bad loans to the poor. This still wasn't enough for ACORN. The banks told ACORN that Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae wouldn't buy the loans from them so that's all they could do. So ACORN lobbied congress and Clinton to enforce the CRA and force Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae to buy the bad loans. Now that there was actually a market for bad loans banks started making loans to the poor. Clinton further enforced it by creating a CRA index for banks that the banks would use to compete. So they would actually compete to see who could make the most loans to the poor. The obvious result of this madness is that people started defaulting on their loans in such great numbers that Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae couldn't insure all the bad loans, and the govt had to step in to help Freddie and Fannie last summer. The real problem was that since there were so many defaulted loans, no one was really sure how much the loans were worth anymore and so the flow of money siezed up and banks began to go under. Thus the financial melt down. Where was Obama in all this? He was head of the Chicago Annenburg Challenge where he and his buddie Bill Ayers helped raise millions for ACORN. Obama was also a layer for several of ACORN's court cases and gave them leadership training. Then he moven on to the senate where he continued to support ACORN and Freddie & Fannie. This is why after being in the senate for only 2-3 years Obama was the 2nd highest receiver os campaign funds from these organizations. This is what happens when these idealistic policies make it into the real world. If Obama is president, do you think he'll blame ACORN and all these bad policies for the financial mess? No. He'll put the blame on Bush who had been warning congress 17 times since 2001 that this would happen. So the problem will go unfixed and you can get ready to pay even more in taxes as the govt spends trillions more on future bailout packages.
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