Barack Obama

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

"...aside from the fact that electing the American President is actually too important a matter to leave to Americans"

Huh? I'm sort of lost or confused by this comment, Hank.
It's too important a matter to leave to Americans?

If it shouldn't be up to us (since it is our country),
who should it be left up to?

[Ogryn1313]

The day Americans give up their decision making to foreigners is the day this is no longer America and just another lamb in the EU or Useless Nations.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

The day Americans give up their decision making to foreigners is the day this is no longer America and just another lamb in the EU or Useless Nations.

wouw! hot shit, mano! as spoken by a true neocon... ;-) that's the stuff, george bush and john mccain are truly made of...

[Ogryn1313]

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid.

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

If I was walking in the woods and I met McCain and Palin, I would slit their throat and throw them in a ditch.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

[Ogryn1313]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

If I was walking in the woods and I met McCain and Palin, I would slit their throat and throw them in a ditch.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

Well, aren't you just the informed and socially concerned voter? Comments like that really diminish any argument for or against a thing. Shame on you. Shame shame shame Anna..everyone know's your name.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

Please, guys and girls, calm down a bit... no need to scream outta ur hat here... I was merely trying to be funny and friendly.

But you missed the point and apparently, American socalled PATRIOTISM (by defined by George Bush and his hoods) is becoming as "holy" as muslim "patriotism". And that is basicly why, it's too dangerous to leave the election of the American president to the American people... ;-)

Oh well, the Chinese have awoken and will make this their century anyways.

But be PROUD! And just send MacDonalds and your marines... and if we don't bend to your PATRIOTIC way, then just send the missiles... you always wanted isolationalism... so why not take it to the limit and kill off anything that cannot be labelled as God's own American PATRIOTISM?

These are the policies that Barack Obama will not follow...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

But be PROUD! And just send MacDonalds and your marines... and if we don't bend to your PATRIOTIC way, then just send the missiles... you always wanted isolationalism... so why not take it to the limit and kill off anything that cannot be labelled as God's own American PATRIOTISM?

These are the policies that Barack Obama will not follow...

I can think of dozens of countries who do not "bend to our patriotic way", and no missiles are being sent. What countries are you talking about who we've fired missiles at because they simply did not "bend to our patriotic way"? And don't say Iraq because if you've studied the situation at all you'll know there's a bit more to it than not bending to our patriotic way.

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

maybe hank has already answered this, but i am an american and i have an answer as to why people from other countries might doubt the average americans ability to choose thier own leaders.
1. the average american cant find washington dc on a map. go ahead and try it. ask people on the street, you will be SHOCKED
2. most of us are fat lazy and too busy voting on the latest american idol and whether or not sanjaya is hot or funny looking to worry about whether or not we should be going to war
3 speaking of war a shit load of americans STILL BELIEVE THAT IRAQ OR SADDAM BOMBED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. those same americans cant find iraq on a map(i will bring the map up a few more times i am sure)
4. the "average" american is lucky to have his GED or be able to read. sad but true. most americans are uneducated and our education system is pretty fucked up so even if you did finish high school if you didnt go to a decent college you didnt really learn anything anyway
5 we voted for BUSH JR TWICE!!!
and that last one i think is the one that should be the clincher. if we had another republican as president i think we would have deserved to have europe come over here and take the reins for a little while.

of course i do wonder a few things about this post period
1 why are we discussing obama here in a forum dedicated to ladyboys and populated by(as it seems) very few americans? it just seems out of place thats all
2 what would non americans know about the situation here if they have not lived here? look i wouldnt presume to know anything about english prime ministers, and someone said something about america taking a big inevitable step and voting in a non white as president. other than disraeli who was jewish and i think still technically white, has england had a black prime minister? a woman yeah and that isnt too surprising from a country that has had (has) a queen. so females in high places..not so much a big leap so why is it such a big deal that we have? so what i have news for you, the colour of the mans skin, not such a big issue as you might think(i wouldnt stand next to him if we were down south though)

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

i am an american and i have an answer as to why people from other countries might doubt the average americans ability to choose thier own leaders.

Since november I too have had these doubts.

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

1. the average american cant find washington dc on a map. go ahead and try it. ask people on the street, you will be SHOCKED
2. most of us are fat lazy and too busy voting on the latest american idol and whether or not sanjaya is hot or funny looking to worry about whether or not we should be going to war
3 speaking of war a shit load of americans STILL BELIEVE THAT IRAQ OR SADDAM BOMBED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. those same americans cant find iraq on a map(i will bring the map up a few more times i am sure)
4. the "average" american is lucky to have his GED or be able to read. sad but true. most americans are uneducated and our education system is pretty fucked up so even if you did finish high school if you didnt go to a decent college you didnt really learn anything anyway
5 we voted for BUSH JR TWICE!!!
and that last one i think is the one that should be the clincher. if we had another republican as president i think we would have deserved to have europe come over here and take the reins for a little while.

Hell... the average american probably couldn't even:
1. State Newton's 3 laws
2. Identify the prominent mineral on the moon's surface
3. Write a lagrangian equation for a basic pendulum
4. Derive Maxwell's equations in tensor form

or even:
5. Say why Bush Jr attacked Iraq
6. Know that al Qaeda planned to use nerve gas to kill 80,000 people in Jordan, or that the nerve gas came from Iraq before the Iraq war.
7. Knew that Clinton and several democrats in congress had been whining about Iraqi WMD throughout Clinton's terms and right on through till 2003.
8. Know what Obama promised other than 'Change'.
9. Suck their tits while stroking their cock.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

Yea, imagine if the US decided that it was going to make decisions for Iraqis, or Afghanis!


<Alternate>

Yes, only the people who are in the nation controlled by a government should vote for that government. So only Americans, Iraqis and Afganis should vote for the US president.

[Ogryn1313]

The Iraqis elected their own leaders you know. Made possible by removing Saddam Hussein. And, it seems the Iraqi's were quite happy being able to elect their own leaders. So much so that Kurds in the north even ran a television ad thanking the Americans for making it possible.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

The Iraqis elected their own leaders you know. Made possible by removing Saddam Hussein. And, it seems the Iraqi's were quite happy being able to elect their own leaders. So much so that Kurds in the north even ran a television ad thanking the Americans for making it possible.

The Iraqi parliament voted that the US should leave, the US are still there, that pretty much sums it up.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Yea, imagine if the US decided that it was going to make decisions for Iraqis, or Afghanis!

Wasn't it the UK that redefined the borders of countries in the Mid East? That turned out real well.

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

they might have been able to save us from 8 years of bush jr? just a thought there, i mean we wouldnt have HAD to listen, but someone could have warned us..oh wait they sort of did. never mind

[just102]

we desperately need a third party

as far as Obama and McCain go I really think McCain is the lesser of the two idiots

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by just102

we desperately need a third party

as far as Obama and McCain go I really think McCain is the lesser of the two idiots

Unfortunately that will usually not work. The vote will usually be split among the top 2 candidates and the 3rd choice will get the majority of the votes.

[twistedone]

I'm writing in the Tasmanian Devil. The cartoon character. Perhaps "Yosemite Sam" as he VP.

[jimnaseum]

Tracy Darling, I'm All-American but that war is Bush's war period. He claimed Mission Accomplished in his little National Guard flight suit his Dad bought him, and he deserves all the blame for it's outcome.
Now then, if this thread is going to cum to "blows" I wanna see some pictures.

All kidding aside, in about 20 years I predict there will be a book on the Bush Presidency that will be a real page turner, once some key players start dying off. From hanging chads to 9-11, to Osama Bin Laden and Abromoff, (sic?) Cheney, think of all the stuff we don't even know about. It's really scary that in the nukuler age we got these guys running around in charge. Sarah Palin's going to get PMS and nuke France.

[Ogryn1313]

Anna, you do know many of those Dems you defend so heavily were members of various intelligence committees and such don't you? Like John Kerry, though he rarely attended the meetings. Many of them have access to the same intel the president has. Much of which was created during Clinton's administration by a unit dedicated to Bin Laden watching. It's not as if once a president is out of office all the intel is null and void and new intel must be made.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Huh? I'm sort of lost or confused by this comment, Hank.
It's too important a matter to leave to Americans?

If it shouldn't be up to us (since it is our country),
who should it be left up to?

america deserves whoever they elect, the rest of the world does not. although the use of the "elect" in this statement sin't very accurate.

[hankhavelock]

Just received this message from the Barack Obama campaign... for all you Democrats out there... please send it on to every one you know!

www.voteforchange.com

Peace!

H

hank --

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It's people just like you who will transform this nation.

Thanks,

Barack

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

www.voteforchange.com

You want change? Everyone vote for Paris Hilton. Things will definitely change.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You want change? Everyone vote for Paris Hilton. Things will definitely change.

Oh... I didn't know she was running for president of the Unisted States...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Oh... I didn't know she was running for president of the Unisted States...

Some advocate of change you are. You want us to stick to boring predictable candidates that have been made available by the same old system that has brought us candidates in almost every election in the history of the US. If you advocate change, you have to think differently....

Write in Paris Hilton!

[Molag Bal]

John McCain = Barack Obama. There is no difference between the two outside of mere cosmetic points. They both serve the interests of the ruling elite in their campaign of subjugation against the working class.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Some advocate of change you are. You want us to stick to boring predictable candidates that have been made available by the same old system that has brought us candidates in almost every election in the history of the US. If you advocate change, you have to think differently....

Write in Paris Hilton!

From the sublime to the ridiculous...

[gunslinger1985]

Obama would be a terrible president. Republican is the way to go, it is the only choice.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by gunslinger1985

Obama would be a terrible president. Republican is the way to go, it is the only choice.

Except that part where they won't let gals like me get married, or have some basic job protections ... you know minor stuff like that

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Except that part where they won't let gals like me get married, or have some basic job protections ... you know minor stuff like that

I thought Bush tried to ban gay marriage, and congress overrode him saying it's a state matter??

[Ogryn1313]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I thought Bush tried to ban gay marriage, and congress overrode him saying it's a state matter??

Maybe I am missing something here....there is the Constitution which the nation follows. It is what made America what it is along with the Bill of Rights. As such, it would seem to me, like it or not, that the Constitution would always trump state consitutions.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Maybe I am missing something here....there is the Constitution which the nation follows. It is what made America what it is along with the Bill of Rights. As such, it would seem to me, like it or not, that the Constitution would always trump state consitutions.

It does, but I guess the constitution isn't specific on exactly what marriage is, so that leaves it open to the states to define it.

[Ogryn1313]

The Constitution isn't specific about many things. It was written for a different time and written to always apply in the future. We must therefore interpret it correctly. But not by liberal judges legislating from the bench.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Except that part where they won't let gals like me get married, or have some basic job protections...you know minor stuff like that

Well, just for the record, McCain and Obama are BOTH against Gay marriage.

BOTH candidates only support civil unions and BOTH support the idea that Gay marriage should not be mandated at the Federal level, but instead decided upon by each individual state to respect the wishes of the people and because the United States is actually a Republic (which most people forget).

To be honest, the biggest test of Gay marriage is barely being talked about which sort of surprises me. Then again, maybe as election day draws closer it will once again become a classic "hot button" issue to sway last minute voters.

Right now its legal in California -- but only because it was sanctioned by the California State Supreme Court, which ruled that the state constitution is currently vague regarding what is (or isn't) a legally recognized marriage. And as is often the case in life, their ruling created a Dickens-like Tale of Two Cities. Up North in Liberal San Francisco cheers erupted (and marriage licenses were given out in droves)...meanwhile down south in conservative San Diego people's blood started to boil and a movement was born to amend the constitution once and for all.

So, on election day, Californians will FINALLY get to vote on a bill whether to amend the state constitution and officially ban Gay marriage (or not).

Right now if I had to place a bet, I'd say the vote to ban gay marriage will pass, though narrowly. Interestingly enough this is not a political Republican/Democrat thing, it's actually an AGE issue. Polls show that if you're under 40, you're part of the so-called "metrosexual" generation and more open to gay marriage...meanwhile if you're 40 or older, you're more traditional and against it.

So my guess is Gay marriage will get banned in California for now, and then in about 10 or so years...as more and more of that metrosexual generation become adults and their kids come of age and can vote too...that's when Gay marriage will finally pass. But one thing's for sure: on election day the California vote will be one to watch. If Gay marriage can't pass in a heavily Liberal "blue state" like California, it certainly isn't going very far in the rest of the country...

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by gunslinger1985

Obama would be a terrible president. Republican is the way to go, it is the only choice.

...and then you woke up...

[SweetCharmer]

in the end on the election either way its gunna be a change coz if obama wins. black president which i think would be brilliant. on the other hand if McCain wins female vice president so on either side there's change but i want Obama to win. Yes he's relatively knew to things but he's a lot better than McCain. not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

[ila]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

Whereas anyone from a younger generation is so tolerant and understanding and would never hold views that pertain to their generation only. Yes I am being sarcastic.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

in the end on the election either way its gunna be a change coz if obama wins. black president which i think would be brilliant. on the other hand if McCain wins female vice president so on either side there's change but i want Obama to win. Yes he's relatively knew to things but he's a lot better than McCain. not being mean but he's a bit too old to become president in my eyes plus hes a veteran from the viet-nam war so he's from a different generation and might hold some of those old generation views.

Could you clear up some things please? I don't understand why so many people think a black president is something 'brilliant'. Like it's such an obvious thing that's an answer to all our problems. What about Chinese Americans? Italian? What is it about a black president that is so compelling?

Second, why is Obama a lot better than McCain? Yeah McCain is old, but he seems to be in pretty good health.

Third, what's wrong with the viet-nam era generation?

[merelypink]

Obama 08

[TracyCoxx]

Unfortunately

[twistedone]

First of all, let me say, I don't like to mix politics with sex. They make very weird and twisted bed fellows. More so than I. LOL

About President elect Obama. In my book, the jury is still out on him, I'm taking a wait and see attitude. This may seem untrusting, however in my book, politicians in general, regardless of their party affiliation are untrustworthy. They all have their own agendas, and its screw the common man over as much as they can. When it comes to the honesty of our politicians, I ask myself this age old question. "How can you tell if a politician is lying? His lips are moving".

I am not going to say I'm a Bush fan either. I knew there would be trouble from him the moment he took his election results to the U.S. Supreme Court to win his first term. I didn't like him then, still don't know. But for that matter, I disliked both Gore and Kerry. And still do, and I certainly didn't want Hilliary Clinton in office either. I still have a sour taste in my mouth from the Clinton years, and some of the stunts he pulled. I'm hoping not to have a repeat performance with Obama.

I'll be the first to say I'm glad Bush is leaving, good riddance to bad rubbish. He's created more turmoil in this world than any terrorist could ever hope to achieve. Time for national and global stability, as well as amends to be made to countries that were insulted by Bush.

Citizens of the other countries, may I remind you, not every American supported Bush, not every American supported his policies, and certainly not every American ignored the fact that we were turning other countries against us. More Americans care than you realize.

To my fellow Americans. I've said this before, this is my story and I'm stickin to it. The government has failed us. But worst of all, we failed ourselves. Our government is of the people, by the people, and for the people. We are the government. Lets look and see what we DIDN'T do that caused our current predicament. Lets take responsibility to ensure it never happens again.

[jimnaseum]

When I was in Elementary School, it was W.A.S.P. all the way. It was great. Drug users, homos, Commies, beatniks, they all fell under the heading of "common criminals" and Blacks had their own little neighborhoods.
Right and wrong, law and order, you didn't even have to lock your doors at night. Even in the cities.
That's all changed now. Ozzie and Harriet are still around, but they've got money and live in Oklahoma.
"Leave it to Beaver" will always be my favorite TV show, but I can't deny that what's fair is fair and right is right.
Blacks, Gays, Legal Immigrants, and yes even Transsexuals deserve a piece of the American Pie.
If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

[TracyCoxx]

White supremacy isn't what I think of when I think of the American Dream. When I think of the American Dream, I'm thinking of opportunities being available to anyone who works hard enough for it. I know it hasn't always been that way for all races, but it should be. That doesn't mean there should be affirmative action programs. But opportunities in the US should be made available to any legal US citizen who strives to achieve those opportunities.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

How do you see Obama delivering? By giving handouts to those who haven't worked for what he will give them?

[jimnaseum]

By giving the Middle Class a level playing field. The middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes. When Tyrone buys a Coke he pays the Coca Cola Co's taxes. He pays the bottler's taxes. He pays the truck driver's taxes. He pays state tax, federal tax. If Tyrone ain't got no job, he's going to get high and rob a house. Maybe your house. Tyrone's going to go to jail so you can pay for that too.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

By giving the Middle Class a level playing field. The middle class does all the work and pays all the taxes. When Tyrone buys a Coke he pays the Coca Cola Co's taxes. He pays the bottler's taxes. He pays the truck driver's taxes. He pays state tax, federal tax. If Tyrone ain't got no job, he's going to get high and rob a house. Maybe your house. Tyrone's going to go to jail so you can pay for that too.

Why would Tyrone get high and rob a house if he loses his job? My dad lost his job. I have a friend who lost his job. They don't get high and rob someone's house. They do whatever they can to find work, any kind of work, and make it work somehow, until they can find a job that will pay the bills. Maybe Tyrone needs to be in jail.

[jimnaseum]

In Europe past a hundred years ago, leaders were like Fathers, their decisions were based on the preserving the "fabric" of the society. People wanted a leader they could bow down to, or salute, not some elected civil servant.
The President should represent ALL of the citizens, not just the Bill OReilly half, I'm glad you love your dads, I'm glad Ann Coulter's dad treated her like a little princess, I'm glad you are proud of half the Country.
If I were you I'd be a Republican too. But COME ON!!! Dwight Eisenhower would throw up if he saw the GOP now. Sarah Palin?
Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review. This is a Nation of Laws. People are People. History is never wrong. You knuckleheads have the right to think anything you want. Jesus was right, but he could have used a good lawyer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4dsB4F6puM

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

When I was in Elementary School, it was W.A.S.P. all the way...That's all changed now. Ozzie and Harriet are still around, but they've got money and live in Oklahoma. "Leave it to Beaver" will always be my favorite TV show, but I can't deny that what's fair is fair and right is right. Blacks, Gays, Legal Immigrants, and yes even Transsexuals deserve a piece of the American Pie. If Obama doesn't deliver, vote him out! But I've got a real feeling that people are going to become believers.

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

As they say, "Time will tell".

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

And yet the total irony to your statement is that it WAS the Black and Hispanic communities that turned out in droves on election day and squashed Gay marriage in the California election. THEY were the ones who became the deciding factor, not W.A.S.P.y white people.

Gee, I guess Obama's "more fair and tolerant" America is gonna need some retooling already, eh?

Blacks voted 70% in favor of prop 8, Hispanics roughly 56%. Blacks account for 6-10% of the voting population in California. Could blacks and Hispanics have turned he tide in such a close election? sure. However I think a 50% voter turnout in San Fran, 65% of married people, 81% of Protestants and Evangelicals, 64% of Catholics, 68% of voters 65+ are just as worthy of blame. The hundreds of thousands of dollars from the VERY white Mormon church could have had a little to do with it.

Also, the lack of coalition building from within the G&L movement. The assumption that blacks and Hispanics would just vote the way they wanted. The quickness the "black church" ot blamed the day after election day. The freedom with which the "N" word got used in West Hollywood. That tells me that maybe there needs to be some reflection and some serious thought. It's not a myth that the national GLb...t groups are seen as male, white, wealthy, not trans* - it's because the gay white boys really like to throw their own party (with their cis-lesbian sisters as backup)