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yeah much like the first film i thought christian bale was as wooden as ever and the show was stolen by the vilains. whether or not ledger was a better joker than nickelson is hard to say though especialy given heath ledgers untimly demise. i to thought it was a stroke of genius not to have any back story to the joker, made him so much more interesting, my favorit bit of the film was when he burnt his share of the robery. i would like to know the real story of how he got his scars though

[Big_Willie]

I'm sure we would've found out more about him in the sequel. And I don't think Bale was "wooden" in the first one, but I have to say, in this sequel he was just okay.

About realism vs. over-the-top in comic book movies. It depends, realistic approach can work if the material allows it. Like in the X-Men movies, I think they weren't too over the top and it worked, even though the comic books sometimes go way further than that. On the other hand adaptations like 300 or Sin City couldn't/shouldn't be done any differently than they were. And I think Batman could work as a more realistic kind of comic book movie but not like this. They have to show more gadgets, more "cool stuff" and effects. Like others said, this could be an ordinary action flick too if they switched Batman for an other character... So, I hope they'll change some things in the next one.

i don't know how they are going to do another one, they can't rely do one without the joker, and they definatly can't do it with anyone else playing the joker

[Big_Willie]

There are a lot of other villains in the Batman comic books, they can pick an other one. I don't think they should stop making Batman movies "only" because of Heath's death. Sure, they'll have to come up with a good explanation why the Joker has disappeared but after that they can make new ones. And maybe after a few years they could try an other actor as the Joker, you know, it's a comic book world, so they should be able to explain why he is different.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

i don't know how they are going to do another one, they can't rely do one without the joker, and they definatly can't do it with anyone else playing the joker

WHAT???? There's loads of great villans! Doing the joker again would suck, you can't wear a villan out. If they did another one with just the joker agin it would just be a pale imitation of this, even if ledger was in it. There's plenty of batman villains to come yet.

I'd live to see a nasty Riddler, I'd like to see him as a rotten cunt fucking with batmans head, but maybe not as hte next film, when doing a riddler, one must be carefull not to make him a lame Joker rip off. The penguin would be good , flippered or not is the question as always, I think any flippering should be subtle, and well, the crime families story was strong in the first 2 films, the joker pretty much fucked them and burnt all thier money this time, would be great to see the penguin stepping in and taking over as the unquestioned crime lord of gotham.

Getting his umbrellas and penguiny motifs right would be hard tho. Other villans, of course, theres the kitty cat, and one catch the line about the armour, should stop cats, but the catwoman would need another villan to be the really bad one. Of course with the batman wanted by police line, it would end up as a 4 way confrontation between the police, the bat, the cat, and a really bad villian. and i think a cat/penguin hookup would just be Returns all over again.

Riddler would be good tho. A Ridler cat combo would work. Not sure about Ridler and Penguin tho. Could have penguin in the background, soliding up the mobs, penguin likes to make money, not just fight the bat, hes very opposite the joker. Riddler could really fuck with the bat too, get him really nuts.


Of course, there's always Dent. Not confirmed dead. Could break out of Arkham and go crazy on the bat, get his revenge on the city for locking him up and covering up what happened to him. I feel like a proper evil 2 face would be good. A real coin flipper, where he does genuine good on silver and extra evil on black.

Imagine flip, silver, he turns in the crime bosses, flip, black, he busts them out and kills the cops. that would be cool.

my point was that there was no closure to the joker story, it didn't seem like he was ready to retire to the costa del sol at the end of the movie, so how are they going to explain his absence in the sequel. they cant just not mention it, and any atempt to explain his absence is going to seem pathetic. also any other vilain is going to be be so lame when measured against the joker now. i think it was the fact that he was doing it all for shits and gigles basicaly, that realy set him apart.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery

my point was that there was no closure to the joker story, it didn't seem like he was ready to retire to the costa del sol at the end of the movie, so how are they going to explain his absence in the sequel. they cant just not mention it, and any atempt to explain his absence is going to seem pathetic. also any other vilain is going to be be so lame when measured against the joker now. i think it was the fact that he was doing it all for shits and gigles basicaly, that realy set him apart.

The filmmakers dont really care to explain anything. In the last Joker film with Jack Nicholson, Joker died from a great fall. In the other film Penguin's life came to an end. In the Riddler film with Jim Carrey, Tommy Lee Jones played the part of Two-Face... but in Dark Knight, the history of Two-Face changed! I very much liked Arnold Schwarzenegger in Batman and Robin as Mr Freeze. There was this vamp called Ivy who spread plant poison everywhere. She could be a fitting villain... Uma Thurman played that role.

Anyway, you can consider the Dark Knight as a description of events when Joker was still alive, not as a sequel of the other Batman films. In the same way, more films about batman might come along as separate events totally unrelated to the others that came before.

all the old batman films ie the ones with michael keaton val killmer and george dudeney in them where a series they followed on from one and other.
batman begins and the dark knight are also a series but seperate from the originals, and as i concider them to be superior to the originals i would have hoped for more films in this current series, but now with heath ledger dead i think its going to be a bit shit that there will be no conclusion to the joker story. and while i agree that some of the other vilains would be quite good i just don't see any of them grabbing the audience's attention quite like the joker.
ps uma thurman as poison ivy mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.