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[sesame]

Originally Posted by =SS-Anna

The Sith are just stupid. In Starwars Vader wasn't a Sith, he was a Jedi, just a bad Jedi, when he's in hte death star control room, they say he's hte last Jedi, and take the piss out of his religion, before he chokes that other guy. This whole Sith bullshit was just dumb, 'Oh I thought hte Sith were extinct' WTF? you dumb bastard, any Jedi can go to hte dark side, that's the whole point right? Silly sausage.
As for the fucking midichlorians, what's wrong with "I feel the force is strong with this one"?

I dont know why you hate all things that are good and popular, Anna, perhaps you like to take the opposition "stance"! Anyway, if you cared to read about Starwars in greater detail, you would have known that Anakin Skywalker became apprentice to Sith Lord Darth Sidious (Palpatine). The Sith Lord named him Darth Vader. Any Jedi can turn to the dark side, yes, there is a chance; but any Jedi cannot become a Sith apprentice. According to the Rule of Two started by Darth Bane, at any single moment, there can be only One Sith Master and One Sith Apprentice in the universe. Interesting Sith Philosophy.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

I dont know why you hate all things that are good and popular, Anna, perhaps you like to take the opposition "stance"! Anyway, if you cared to read about Starwars in greater detail, you would have known that Anakin Skywalker became apprentice to Sith Lord Darth Sidious (Palpatine). The Sith Lord named him Darth Vader. Any Jedi can turn to the dark side, yes, there is a chance; but any Jedi cannot become a Sith apprentice. According to the Rule of Two started by Darth Bane, at any single moment, there can be only One Sith Master and One Sith Apprentice in the universe. Interesting Sith Philosophy.

Pls find a mention of the word 'Sith' from the 70's... Does anyone say it in the real 3 films? oh, they don't. Fuck retconns

Oh and I think you will find I am with the majority, you are with the minority. More people liked the first starwars than the new ones.


1. Titanic (1997) $600,779,824
2. Star Wars (1977) $460,935,665
3. The Dark Knight (2008) $451,888,386
4. Shrek 2 (2004) $436,471,036
5. E.T.: The Extra-Terrestrial (1982) $434,949,459
6. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace (1999) $431,065,444
7. Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (2006) $423,032,628
8. Spider-Man (2002) $403,706,375
9. Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith (2005) $380,262,555
10. The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003) $377,019,252

And that's not inflation adjusted! Inflation adjusted, Starwars would be way ahead, how much was a cinema trip in the 70s?


Even more damning, forget how much people spent, look at the rankings

top 250 movies of all time on IMDB

9. 8.8 Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980)

12. 8.8 Star Wars (1977)

109. 8.2 Star Wars: Episode VI - Return of the Jedi (1983)

None of the new films make the top 250.



Try this, ask someone for a starwars quote, it will be ''Help me Obi Wan Kenobi, you're our only hope'' Or ''Luke, I am your father'' ''Use the force luke!'' ''laugh it up fuzzball!'' ''Do not underestimate the POWER of the dark side'' Those are all off hte top of my head, I can't think of a single cool quote from the new ones, and neither will anyone else. other than ''Meesa Jar Jar binks, Meesa gunna annoy the shit out of you!''

[sesame]

Last 3 films added some really valuable content to the backgrounds of Darth Vader, The Emperor (The Sith Lord Darth Sidious), Obiwan Kenobi. They gave the first 3 films some deeper meaning.

The Emperor (Sith Lord Darth Sidious) or Chancellor Palpatine:
The cool conspiring villain!
I was especially fascinated to see the massacre of the Jedi masters by the clone army, initiated by Chancellor Palpatine. How he had planned it all from the beginning; converting the old Jedis to the dark side, planning a clone army, (which is much easier to control & manipulate) and rising to political power, destroying the Jedi order. Brilliant conspiracy. He plays with the Federation and with Anakin Skywalker like puppets! He lets Anakin rise in power and confidence, cuts off his hand in duel with the help of his apprentice Count Dooku, a former Jedi master. Then he lets Anakin kill Dooku in another combat, pushing him over to the dark side by encouraging his anger and desire for revenge. Finally when Jedi master Mace Windu almost kills Palpatine in duel, Anakin intervenes and helps him to kill Mace, thereby sealing his fate as a Sith. Anakin can no longer remain a Jedi, as he is now a traitor. Palpatine converts Anakin into a Sith Lord and takes him as his apprentice then and there, leaving him not a chance to repair the damage. He then orders Anakin to kill all young Jedi students and the weak links to the Sith chain. Without giving the Jedi any time to recover, he initiates a secret code Order 66, which triggers the clone army to eliminate all members of the Jedi order by surprise. Publicly he vilifies the Jedi and claims total power from the hands of the Federation. You will find all this in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. The Great Jedi Purge.

But there is a serious flaw in the film. They devoted very little time to build up the character of Jedi Mace Windu. They should have, for the story behind him is brilliant. He developed Vaapad and was the best lighsaber duelist ever. Also, there should have been more substance on Palpatine's dark side. The film-makers spent all the time on the sticky love affair between Anakin and Padme Amedala. Or they wasted precious resources building funny side-kick alien characters.

Finally Anna, I was not talking entirely about the 6 movies. I was also referring to the fabulous buildup of Jedi-Sith information written by novelists like Drew Karpyshyn who contributed very interesting details about Darth Bane and the Sith order. Also works like Jedi vs Sith have added new dimensions to the Starwars concept. The movies are but a narrow slice of the Starwars world, the tip of the iceberg.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

Last 3 films added some really valuable content to the backgrounds of Darth Vader, The Emperor (The Sith Lord Darth Sidious), Obiwan Kenobi. They gave the first 3 films some deeper meaning.

The Emperor (Sith Lord Darth Sidious) or Chancellor Palpatine:
The cool conspiring villain!
I was especially fascinated to see the massacre of the Jedi masters by the clone army, initiated by Chancellor Palpatine. How he had planned it all from the beginning; converting the old Jedis to the dark side, planning a clone army, (which is much easier to control & manipulate) and rising to political power, destroying the Jedi order. Brilliant conspiracy. He plays with the Federation and with Anakin Skywalker like puppets! He lets Anakin rise in power and confidence, cuts off his hand in duel with the help of his apprentice Count Dooku, a former Jedi master. Then he lets Anakin kill Dooku in another combat, pushing him over to the dark side by encouraging his anger and desire for revenge. Finally when Jedi master Mace Windu almost kills Palpatine in duel, Anakin intervenes and helps him to kill Mace, thereby sealing his fate as a Sith. Anakin can no longer remain a Jedi, as he is now a traitor. Palpatine converts Anakin into a Sith Lord and takes him as his apprentice then and there, leaving him not a chance to repair the damage. He then orders Anakin to kill all young Jedi students and the weak links to the Sith chain. Without giving the Jedi any time to recover, he initiates a secret code Order 66, which triggers the clone army to eliminate all members of the Jedi order by surprise. Publicly he vilifies the Jedi and claims total power from the hands of the Federation. You will find all this in Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. The Great Jedi Purge.

But there is a serious flaw in the film. They devoted very little time to build up the character of Jedi Mace Windu. They should have, for the story behind him is brilliant. He developed Vaapad and was the best lighsaber duelist ever. Also, there should have been more substance on Palpatine's dark side. The film-makers spent all the time on the sticky love affair between Anakin and Padme Amedala. Or they wasted precious resources building funny side-kick alien characters.

Finally Anna, I was not talking entirely about the 6 movies. I was also referring to the fabulous buildup of Jedi-Sith information written by novelists like Drew Karpyshyn who contributed very interesting details about Darth Bane and the Sith order. Also works like Jedi vs Sith have added new dimensions to the Starwars concept. The movies are but a narrow slice of the Starwars world, the tip of the iceberg.

I just chewed someone out on another forum over the exact same thing.

I'll say very clearly:

Star Wars Expanded Universe is utter shite. It's a load of fucking chum for fanboys who would gobble a fat steaming turd if it had a star wars stamp on it.

Take your Jar Jar Binks and your midichlorians and fucking keep them, no one wants them, they are shite.

We want Luke, Han, Chewwy and Leiha. And Obi Wan is fucking Alec Guinness.

And Anakin Skywalker is Sebastian Shaw, and it's a fucking disgrace to paste that chimpanzee Christensen on top of him. http://rmcantin.blogspot.com/2005/06...pisode-ii.html

Lucas is a twat.

[sesame]

:D Ah, thats what you think? Thanks for your opinion.
As for me, I just like the complexity of characters, holocrons, Jedi philosophy, Sith conspiracies, the richness of ideas.

And in my world, I have better things to compare with than shit, turd, fuck or twat!

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by sesame

:D Ah, thats what you think? Thanks for your opinion.

No, not just my opinion, the majority of people's opinion. look the the ratings for old vs new.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by SleekShemaleAnna :p

No, not just my opinion, the majority of people's opinion. look the the ratings for old vs new.

Phew, I am so relieved to have escaped with just one line of protest! I thought you would chase me around the website with a mallet!

As said earlier, I was referring not just to a bunch of films but the whole concept. I dont hold any grudge against Hayden Christensen either. He did his best. But I do think that the way in which he cut off Jedi Mace Windu's hand was clumsy and abrupt. One moment he is a good Jedi, the next moment he is a rotten darkling! It doesnt make sense. The change should have been more gradual. After all, it was he who identified Palpatine as a Sith lord and tried to get him arrested. The events escalating to Anakin's conversion to the dark side should have been more detailed. It seemed that they ended the movie in a hurry.