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TheSkronkDonkey · #1 08-09-2008

Heather Ledger is fantastic and makes this movie.

Without him, in spite of the serious story, I think TDK would be a very bland and tepid affair. I have some problems with Nolan's style and sensibilities. For me, the Burton films are vastly superior. Dark wit, expressionist beauty, gothic scale.

Dumb stuff in TDK? How about an attorney punching a guy in court? Or Batman's super fantastical sonar device (I get the little "in joke", though -- i.e. bats use sonar ultrasound)? Or just what the f*ck happens at the party after Batman falls out the window with Rachel? Or Harvey Dent's very exaggerated burns? Lots of silly stuff in the movie, which is a problem given how credible Nolan tries to make it feel.

SluttyShemaleAnna · #2 08-09-2008

I don't see what is ridiculous about an attorney punching someone in court when he has just tried to shoot him. If someone tried to shoot you but his gun jammed, wouldn't you do something before he unjams it?

The bit where they try all the crime bosses at once was well funny.

Big_Willie · #3 08-10-2008

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Or Harvey Dent's very exaggerated burns?

Yeah, I didn't like that either. It didn't look very good for starters and it was just wierd, nothing like the comic books or the previous movies.

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It's true I love Tim Burton's two Batman films, and Nicholson was great as the joker, but well, when Ledger does the how he got his scars bits and the questioning room bit, it's just freaking brilliant.

I agree about this one, Heath really gave an amazing performance. I didn't pay too much attention to him earlier but after this movie I'll have to check out a couple more from him. If he hadn't died, I'm sure he could've been the "next big thing" in Hollywood. RIP

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The only mistake Burton made in the first one is giving the joker too much back story, having the Joker kill Batman's parents was a mistake, I love how Nolan give the Joker no back story, he just appears fully formed in all his bizarre glory, and starts fucking up the city.
I love how twisted the new film is, and the way the Joker keeps fucking batman over, everytime Batman wins one, the Joker fucks him up again.

I disagree about the backstory part but it was cool to see Joker just messing with everybody in this movie. Though it was also one of it's faults. Too much attention to Joker and "barely any" screentime for Bruce Wayne/Batman.

SluttyShemaleAnna · #4 08-10-2008

I don't care that the joker got all the screen time. We can see more batman in batman begins or in the next one, but if you want Joker, well there's not going to be any more now!

I think dent's burns were similar to some of the comic book, but the lack of hair was a bit crap, and the pop eye. Apparently the first look they tried was very realistic, but it grossed everyone out too much.

I loved Dent's transformation tho, from being a hero to a villain.

DL_NL · #5 08-10-2008

Naah, Batman doesn't do it for me. I did like X-Men a couple of years ago, though.

sesame · #6 08-11-2008

Like the Joker and the Batman in the Dark Knight, me and SluttyShemaleAnna would forever be fighting each other. I'm only confused about who is batman, and who is joker among the two of us!

#7 08-12-2008

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Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

Heather Ledger is fantastic and makes this movie.

Without him, in spite of the serious story, I think TDK would be a very bland and tepid affair. I have some problems with Nolan's style and sensibilities. For me, the Burton films are vastly superior. Dark wit, expressionist beauty, gothic scale.

Dumb stuff in TDK? How about an attorney punching a guy in court? Or Batman's super fantastical sonar device (I get the little "in joke", though -- i.e. bats use sonar ultrasound)? Or just what the f*ck happens at the party after Batman falls out the window with Rachel? Or Harvey Dent's very exaggerated burns? Lots of silly stuff in the movie, which is a problem given how credible Nolan tries to make it feel.

i like a reliasm in cinema alot but when watching a comic book film i tend to suspend my disbelief. super hero films of this kind are suposed to be over the top.

#8 08-12-2008

yeah much like the first film i thought christian bale was as wooden as ever and the show was stolen by the vilains. whether or not ledger was a better joker than nickelson is hard to say though especialy given heath ledgers untimly demise. i to thought it was a stroke of genius not to have any back story to the joker, made him so much more interesting, my favorit bit of the film was when he burnt his share of the robery. i would like to know the real story of how he got his scars though

Big_Willie · #9 08-12-2008

I'm sure we would've found out more about him in the sequel.

And I don't think Bale was "wooden" in the first one, but I have to say, in this sequel he was just okay.

About realism vs. over-the-top in comic book movies. It depends, realistic approach can work if the material allows it. Like in the X-Men movies, I think they weren't too over the top and it worked, even though the comic books sometimes go way further than that. On the other hand adaptations like 300 or Sin City couldn't/shouldn't be done any differently than they were. And I think Batman could work as a more realistic kind of comic book movie but not like this. They have to show more gadgets, more "cool stuff" and effects. Like others said, this could be an ordinary action flick too if they switched Batman for an other character... So, I hope they'll change some things in the next one.

#10 08-12-2008

i don't know how they are going to do another one, they can't rely do one without the joker, and they definatly can't do it with anyone else playing the joker

Big_Willie · #11 08-12-2008

There are a lot of other villains in the Batman comic books, they can pick an other one. I don't think they should stop making Batman movies "only" because of Heath's death. Sure, they'll have to come up with a good explanation why the Joker has disappeared but after that they can make new ones. And maybe after a few years they could try an other actor as the Joker, you know, it's a comic book world, so they should be able to explain why he is different.

SluttyShemaleAnna · #12 08-12-2008

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i don't know how they are going to do another one, they can't rely do one without the joker, and they definatly can't do it with anyone else playing the joker

WHAT???? There's loads of great villans! Doing the joker again would suck, you can't wear a villan out. If they did another one with just the joker agin it would just be a pale imitation of this, even if ledger was in it. There's plenty of batman villains to come yet.

I'd live to see a nasty Riddler, I'd like to see him as a rotten cunt fucking with batmans head, but maybe not as hte next film, when doing a riddler, one must be carefull not to make him a lame Joker rip off. The penguin would be good , flippered or not is the question as always, I think any flippering should be subtle, and well, the crime families story was strong in the first 2 films, the joker pretty much fucked them and burnt all thier money this time, would be great to see the penguin stepping in and taking over as the unquestioned crime lord of gotham.

Getting his umbrellas and penguiny motifs right would be hard tho. Other villans, of course, theres the kitty cat, and one catch the line about the armour, should stop cats, but the catwoman would need another villan to be the really bad one. Of course with the batman wanted by police line, it would end up as a 4 way confrontation between the police, the bat, the cat, and a really bad villian. and i think a cat/penguin hookup would just be Returns all over again.

Riddler would be good tho. A Ridler cat combo would work. Not sure about Ridler and Penguin tho. Could have penguin in the background, soliding up the mobs, penguin likes to make money, not just fight the bat, hes very opposite the joker. Riddler could really fuck with the bat too, get him really nuts.

Of course, there's always Dent. Not confirmed dead. Could break out of Arkham and go crazy on the bat, get his revenge on the city for locking him up and covering up what happened to him. I feel like a proper evil 2 face would be good. A real coin flipper, where he does genuine good on silver and extra evil on black.

Imagine flip, silver, he turns in the crime bosses, flip, black, he busts them out and kills the cops. that would be cool.

#13 08-12-2008

my point was that there was no closure to the joker story, it didn't seem like he was ready to retire to the costa del sol at the end of the movie, so how are they going to explain his absence in the sequel. they cant just not mention it, and any atempt to explain his absence is going to seem pathetic. also any other vilain is going to be be so lame when measured against the joker now. i think it was the fact that he was doing it all for shits and gigles basicaly, that realy set him apart.