Self Defense

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The .223/5.56 will not punch through a human, even with ball ammuntion. It was designed to tumble on contact with a target. There is even frangible ammunition marketed for home defense use as it shatters once it penetrates an object. it will go through 1 layer of sheetrock but not the other.

OK, read it up, was confused by statements in this thread.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

You may view it as an excuse but alot of people view it as using the most efficient tool for the job. One mans paranoia is another mans prudent planning.

The most efficient to kill unwanted guests? Not everything is: If I don't kill him, he will kill me. A weapon with high lethal effects is not necessary, in my opinion.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

But regardless of the tool and what it is used for, you still use it because it is more efficient, correct?

More time efficient than walking, yes.
You can argue a big gun is more efficient than a small one (determent and man stopping).
A machine gun would be even more, or a XM214 Microgun, a tank, but is there a need? (the elephant again)

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

It takes considerable skill to fire a pistol and accurately hit a target even 25meters away. As much as you might not think so, a rifle is more accurate than a pistol. If one of my family members was in the vicinity of the criminal, I would trust a rifle over a pistol. There are risks involved in everything you do, regardless of whether or not you are shooting, driving to the store, playing a game of soccer or football etc. Proper training is key.

Do you have rooms that are 25m long? If it comes really high 10m.
Would you go get your gun, aim and shoot, while your family is threaten by a psychotic person?

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

It would sound more believable if it was from something other than wikipedia.

You can follow the references from Wikipedia, if that helps. What are your needs for a believable reference?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

The most efficient to kill unwanted guests? Not everything is: If I don’t kill him, he will kill me. A weapon with high lethal effects is not necessary, in my opinion.

What you just said is contrary to the purpose of why people have home defense weapons. To stop an attacker as quickly as possible. And to stop someone as quickly as possible, a weapon needs to have high lethal effects otherwise an attacker will be wounded and still be able to be a threat.

Originally Posted by Tread

More time efficient than walking, yes.
You can argue a big gun is more efficient than a small one (determent and man stopping).
A machine gun would be even more, or a XM214 Microgun, a tank, but is there a need? (the elephant again)

There is obviously a practicality issue with that. A machine gun is to clumsy to use indoors where as an M4 is alot more maneuverable and has alot more accuracy and distance than a pistol. So practicality outweighs need in those examples.

Originally Posted by Tread

Do you have rooms that are 25m long? If it comes really high 10m.
Would you go get your gun, aim and shoot, while your family is threaten by a psychotic person?

My Mosin is always at the ready, zeroed in and loaded. When I am not around it is locked up. But when I am, it is ready at a seconds notice.

Originally Posted by Tread

You can follow the references from Wikipedia, if that helps. What are your needs for a believable reference?

What it fails to mention is:

1) Crimes thwarted by the victim being armed. It does not display the ratio of crimes averted by the victim being armed vs crimes actually commited with weapons. Alot of attacks that were stopped without shots fired don't get added into the statistics as they don't fall into the "violent crimes" category. All those statistics do is record how many violent crimes actually went through unhindered.

2) Justifiable Homicide. Again, Homicide, whether justifiable or not still falls into the "homicide" category. Until there is a distinction between the two when the statistics are collected and processed, the numbers are still largely skewed.