Self Defense

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Suckslut

I thought the UK has a very low murder rate?

Something like a couple people a year or something?

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars

www.murdermap.co.uk

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

[JodieTs]

What about the bullets?

[JodieTs]

In a situation
never shout out for help
never shout "Rape"
never shout "I'm being attacked"
never shout "call the cops"

You will generally be ignored
(People are like that...Huge studies about group negation of responsibility)

Instead shout "Fire"


This will get everybody running over and confuse the attacker/s
they will think you are a loony ie. unstable, unpredictable,
which is good.

[The Conquistador]

@ Jodie: It's such a shame to see the murder rates of the UK. When I see stuff like that in the news, it makes me glad that I spent that $300 on my Mossberg 500.

How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.






PS: I'll be sure and send you a shotgun for Christmas...

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

@ Jodie: It's such a shame to see the murder rates of the UK. When I see stuff like that in the news, it makes me glad that I spent that $300 on my Mossberg 500.

How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.

WOOT WOOT for the Mossberg 500. I got one too with the pistol grip and M4-style retracting stock, 7 + 1 capacity.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Jodie
How does Parliament expect to save England from the threat of zombies when everyone is disarmed? I am sure Misters Lee and Enfield would see the folly of such gun control.

PS: I'll be sure and send you a shotgun for Christmas...

Leicester is a bad place to live if Zombie invasion is a worry
>>>Here's why<<<

Zombies are actually not a problem in real terms; here's why:
7 Scientific Reasons a Zombie Outbreak Would Fail (Quickly)

I've actually got an S.P.A.S. 12...


My 'nick' is "Duck" hence the logo and word scratched on the folding stock.
Ok ok that's CoD: Black Ops.
{real guns scare me}

[JodieTs]

What do you lot think about Tactical folders?

Yes I'm hugely aware they take x3 the time to deploy over a fixed blade,
>>>click here<<< Watch from the six minute mark.
ButIMHO, they seem to be more practical
ie take up less room plus not so intimidating when not in use
....Don't want to scare random non-threatening people.

The Cold Steel AK-47 & AK-47mini, both look functional and scary!

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

What a collection of joke articles.
UK murder rates may be higher than in the 60's however they are still about 1/4 of the murder rate in the US.
Those graphs in your last source as ridiculous.
The daily mail article (there's the clue it's bullshit, anything in the daily mail, assume the opposite it true)

True. I always use the Daily Mail for ?source material? when I know full well that reputable references say the opposite.
My man was very loudly protesting that article was rubbish.
Still, the truth is that some parts of the UK are very dangerous to trans
(think east end London...one of my trans friends lives there and talks about targeted gang violence against trans women and gay men)
I've experienced violence, again in the bad parts of London,
but never before I transitioned.
And not for the last three years which is down to ?passing?
rather than a liberal attitude amongst the scum gangs.
What about Andrea Waddle?
And other trans escorts in the uk.
Very highly vulnerable and often targeted.
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/sho...814#post958814
Quote:...background on the birmingham robberies Ive heard a couple of stories from some girls there, but thought it was coincidental rather than anything specific.
>>>its called "gang banging" , asian/eastern block gangs assaulting and robbing escorts, particuarly tv/ts and gay males. (also some gg) but mostly trans/gay.
wont go into how they do it on here butnits easy enough to imagine

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

And whoever wrote about the Norwegian Terrorist attack, that if only the kids had guns... Are you seriously suggesting that we should be arming children? do you really think that's a good idea to give kids guns. How about you mention that the shooter bought his gun legally, and he got high capacity magazines by mail order from the US.

Most of the gun crime in London is done by children, with illegal guns.

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Criminals always get hold of guns illegally, but they are used almost exclusivly against other criminals, almost all deranged killers who have gone on sprees use legally bought guns, and it's the high capacity magazines that gun nuts insist on keeping legal that allow them to murder such high numbers of people.

That's state propaganda to keep the people convinced things are safe.
Just look at the BBC news reports, the local papers, to see a lot of violence is against the general population. And I'm not talking about guns only.
Also, It's only the criminals who carry guns. That's hardly a safe situation.

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

As for the 'police state' argument what a load of moronic shit. Lets remember which country STILL has warrantless wire taps, secret searches, tracking your internet, your mail, and even books at your library, has corrupt judges locking people up for money, runs an offshore gulag and has the highest prison population per capita in the world. I don't see any gun waving crowds fixing the situation in the US.

• 28 day detention which Tony B(liar) wanted as 92 days., Without trial.
• No automatic right to protest.
• Need police permission to have a gathering
• APNR everywhere. Tracking EVERYONE not just criminals
• DNA database
• ID cards. Some suggestion Tories trying to bring that back
• Suggestion to get everyone on DNA database when they are born.
• Extradition treaty with the USA Gary McKinnon ++Nat West Three
  where our rights are fucked over by those in charge.
• Transfer of sovereignty power to Brussels without mandate.
• No Bill of rights, like the USA have
• no second amendment
• No right to silence. In fact silence may now be taken by court as an admission of guilt.
• Illegal to film or take a photo of a policeman
• GCHQ looks at everything in the UK.
  (If you type: ?Atom bomb? three times in a row you see a white van parked outside, with a rotating Ariel) {Ok. I made that one up}
• Oh on the subject on Guantanimo, a UK citizen was locked up there for years,
• then later released without charge, while the uk did nothing.
• Ok the uk is one of the top 4 exporters of weapons to dodgy states, despite the majority of people being against it.
• 2, 000,000 people marched against the Iraq war but B(liar) ignored them
• Fingerprinting schoolchildren (outlawed by current regime)

Why all those things?
Oh yes, ...coz it's a friggin police state.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by Slavetoebony

In modern-day Switzerland, criminals don't dare to attack people because they know their opponents are armed. Compare this to neighbouring Germany. A country of very similar culture with exactly the same mix of natives and immigrants. The only difference is that Germany enforces gun control, and the crime rate, including armed robbery, murder and rape is spiraling out of control. Guns make a safer society, that's a fact.

The culture may be similar like most neighbour countries in the world, but not very similar. The mix of natives and immigrants is different.

Switzerland also enforces gun control. You need permission to buy own and carry a gun.

There are crime statistics about Switzerland and in most of these Germany looks similar to Switzerland. Compare it also with Austria, Belgium, Luxembourg and you won?t see a connection to gun control.

There are many different circumstances (EU, size of country/cities, social imbalance, politics, ?) that make it impossible to reduce everything to gun ownership.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Nope
http://www.telegraph.co.uk Murder-rate-increasing-amid-epidemic-of-knife-and-gun-crime

dailymail.co.uk/news/article The-violent-country-Europe-Britain-worse-South-Africa-U-S

www.dailyrecord.co.uk/2011/04/04/scotland-in-the-grip-of-murder-mayhem-as-homicide-rate-soars

www.murdermap.co.uk

http://www.ukdebate.co.uk/What does everyone here think of gun control? ---look at the table stats on the first post.
Legal carrying of weapons correlates with less crime.
I'd suggest its just the possibility that a person is armed, will dissuade attacks.

What a collection of joke articles.

UK murder rates may be higher than in the 60's however they are still about 1/4 of the murder rate in the US.

Those graphs in your last source as ridiculous. The ones for US cities that supposedly show murder rates dropping or increasing in response to gun laws don't show anything of the sort, they almost all show the change in rate starting or entirely occurring before the law changes. The Washington and Chicago ones that supposedly show a rise after handgun bans show murder rates staying steady for about 10 years after the bans (when they had previously been rising), then they both rise suddenly around 1990, oh, wait, that's when the US went into recession.

The daily mail article (there's the clue it's bullshit, anything in the daily mail, assume the opposite it true) is a complete joke, because as anyone who payed attention to the news knows, they changed the categorisation of violent crime in the UK to include common assault and affray where people are not injured (infact in affray you don't actually have to even have to have touched), whereas other countries only count crimes as violent if someone is actually injured. The articles does infact even admit itself that it is a crock of crap, and that crimes rates are falling since 1995.


And whoever wrote about the Norwegian Terrorist attack, that if only the kids had guns... Are you seriously suggesting that we should be arming children? do you really think that's a good idea to give kids guns. How about you mention that the shooter bought his gun legally, and he got high capacity magazines by mail order from the US.

Criminals always get hold of guns illegally, but they are used almost exclusivly against other criminals, almost all deranged killers who have gone on sprees use legally bought guns, and it's the high capacity magazines that gun nuts insist on keeping legal that allow them to murder such high numbers of people.

As for the 'police state' argument what a load of moronic shit. Lets remember which country STILL has warrantless wire taps, secret searches, tracking your internet, your mail, and even books at your library, has corrupt judges locking people up for money, runs an offshore gulag and has the highest prison population per capita in the world. I don't see any gun waving crowds fixing the situation in the US.