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This is true of all people; not just religious folk. As with any human institution, religion is not infallibe.
So true, we have all done it. When I was young and dumb, and full of cum, I too believed there was a God. After all, that was the consensus of those around me. As I grew up, I began to notice that what people said were their beliefs and what their actions showed were sometimes polar opposites. By the time I reached college age, it was pretty obvious to me that the prime reason that people believed in God was because they wanted to. For most of them it was not because they had read the Bible. No, most people were actually pretty ignorant of what was contained between the covers. Outside of what they had picked up from the movies they really were pretty much in the dark concerning the main body of Scripture that they believed in. There were a surprising number of them that thought Ben Hur (movie) was a story from the Bible. I kid you not! I encountered people who would not believe that Ben Hur was a fictional account written by the ex govenor of New Mexico. They were so sure it was from the Bible. This ignorance of the Bible was understandable several centuries ago when many people were illiterate and depended on their local priest, pastor, preacher etc. for his reading. But there have been translations available in contemporary language for quite some time now and the literacy rate has never been higher.

So why do they believe? One of you good Christians had better explain it to me.

And to Mel Asher, if anybody is being contemptuous, you lead the pack. First you come on like you are an adult talking to children. A fine example of Christian humility you are.Then you characterize Dawkins using the word "ilk" which has negative connatations. Then you portray him as some negative person whose main aim is to put down religion. I realize that you have never read his books because that is so obvious from your tone. All you are doing is parroting what your shepards have said, you silly sheep! Then you make a totally ambiguous statement that it comes down to institutional faith versus personal faith. What a non-statement! Perhaps you had better expound on that by defining each and explaining the conflict between them and what the hell it has to do with the subject here.

While you are at it, please explain what "pauline crusaders" are in your use of the term. Your ready use of the term indicated that it must have some kind of relevance. So I consulted several referances and went to Google on it, but turned up nil.
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I want to point out a fact that every bible thumper always forget about and the fact is GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE it was writen by humans
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I want to point out a fact that every bible thumper always forget about and the fact is GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE it was writen by humans
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AND......edited by humans.....and translated (in many cases, mistranslated).......and interpreted and mis interpreted ......and used as an authority to justify wrong doing such as slavery and the opression of women......bah, humbug!!

I would like to point out also that the Christian Bible is not alone here. The Islamic Quaran has been misued in much the same ways. Another thing is has in common with the Bible is that it wasn't written by the main man either. Just as we have no words that Jesus wrote, neither are there words that Muhammad wrote - the man was illiterate.
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As I grew up, I began to notice that what people said were their beliefs and what their actions showed were sometimes polar opposites. By the time I reached college age, it was pretty obvious to me that the prime reason that people believed in God was because they wanted to. For most of them it was not because they had read the Bible. No, most people were actually pretty ignorant of what was contained between the covers. Outside of what they had picked up from the movies they really were pretty much in the dark concerning the main body of Scripture that they believed in.
I've noticed this too. Most people are Christian in name only.

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This ignorance of the Bible was understandable several centuries ago when many people were illiterate and depended on their local priest, pastor, preacher etc. for his reading.
The Bible was written in parable and verse because the people weren't as intelectually advanced as they are now and trying to explain certain things like thermodynamics or something would only result in a blank stare or a scratching of the crown.

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So why do they believe? One of you good Christians had better explain it to me.
Do some use the Christian belief system as a crutch? Yes. Does that mean anyone who believes in the Christian faith uses it as a crutch? No. Lumping people together like that is rather ignorant. There are some of us who view it as a goal to strive for rather than a crutch. Ain't nothing wrong with hope.
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Where's the moderator when you need him? Its time this thread was put out of its misery.

If people want a religious debate, there are no doubt forums for that on the net.

I'm not a god believer, I believe man created God in the beginning to fulfill his needs. But now that God is a monster out of control who creates man, as in the terrorist acts of fanatical Muslims and the behavior of similarly brainwashed Christian fundamentalists.

But I would not bash or flame good Muslims or Christians for their beliefs, provided they're prepared to live and let live, any more than I'd accept them bashing transsexuals or their admirers.

So lets go back to our corners and accept everyone's right to hold their own different but equally valid views. I think that's called maturity.
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