Christians who are attracted to Transsexuals.

[Bionca]

Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

The authors of the Bible were very aware of what we would likely call "Transgenderd Women" today. The cults if Ishtar, Ashera, Innanna all had a class of Priestess who were castrated men. These goddesses were worshiped by The Hebrew's neighbors (Babylon, Assyria, Sumeria).

Later in Rome, the cults of Isis and Cybele also had "eunuch" priestesses. By the Victorian age in England, "eunuch" was used to describe the Hijra in Colonial India as well as the various "third sex" M2Fs in SE Asia, Native Americans, Maori, Samoans, Aboriginal Australians.

Today, various churches use this passage to advocate for celebacy and abstinence. However, given the highly sexual (and spiritual) nature of the neighboring priestesses, I find that to be an incorrect application of the verse.

As Gor Gar said, your own introspection needs to be your guide. Myself, I cannot support a faith so quick to condemn something so intrinsic to my own understanding of myself.

[The Conquistador]

We are all going to hell. Just thought I'd add that nugget.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Matthew 19:12
For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Read before this and you will understand what is being said.

Jesus was talking about forgivness and how just as God showed forgivness towards our sins, we should likewise show our fellow man forgivness when he sins against us. Afterwards the Pharisees were trying to find fault with his teachings:

3 And Pharisees came up to him, intent on tempting him and saying: “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife on every sort of ground?” 4 In reply he said: “Did YOU not read that he who created them from [the] beginning made them male and female 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and his mother and will stick to his wife, and the two will be one flesh’? 6 So that they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore, what God has yoked together let no man put apart.” 7 They said to him: “Why, then, did Moses prescribe giving a certificate of dismissal and divorcing her?” 8 He said to them: “Moses, out of regard for YOUR hardheartedness, made the concession to YOU of divorcing YOUR wives, but such has not been the case from [the] beginning. 9 I say to YOU that whoever divorces his wife, except on the ground of fornication, and marries another commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him: “If such is the situation of a man with his wife, it is not advisable to marry.” 11 He said to them: “Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift. 12 For there are eunuchs that were born such from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs that were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs that have made themselves eunuchs on account of the kingdom of the heavens. Let him that can make room for it make room for it.”


In verse 9, Jesus is saying in effect "If all you care about is getting rid of your spouse due to petty things that can be solved, you are no better than someone who sleeps around with another mans woman."

In verse 10, His disciples then comment that if someone is so prone to infidelity, they should not bother getting married.

To which Jesus replies in verses 11 and 12: “Not all men make room for the saying, but only those who have the gift. For there are eunuchs that were born such from their mother’s womb, and there are eunuchs that were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs that have made themselves eunuchs on account of the kingdom of the heavens. Let him that can make room for it make room for it.”

What Jesus is saying is that any man who is unable to commit to a woman that he pledges himself to over stupid shit that can obviously be sorted out, is a nutless little bitch. Some men have no drive to have a spouse, some follow the trends of their fellow man and think it is cool to sleep around(reference to modernday douchebaggery) and some have devoted their lives to a certain cause.

To sum up what he was trying to convey:

DO - Be honorable. If you have a girlfriend... treat her as such. If you want to go around banging all sorts of women... that is fine. Just be single.

DON'T - Be one of those guys who always has a girlfriend but it is always looking for something better. In other words, don't stick around a girl because you are afraid to be alone. That is what 16 year old girls do.

Be a man, not a metrosexual chump!

[The Conquistador]

To be clear here: hell is not a fiery place of eternal torment. What is commonly referred to as "hell" in Hebrew is Sheol literally translated as "the grave". The eternal damnation and suffering crap is from centuries of Catholic scaremongering.

The place in biblical times, "gehenna" was a giant burning trash pit that was hot enough to obliterate anything dumped into it. Gehenna was not referring to a fiery place of eternal torment. It was referring to eternal destruction with no hope of being remembered or salvaged. Telling someone they were going to be pitched into gehenna was telling them that they are no better than common trash and deserve to be treated as such.

The word "hell" is derived from the old Germanic word hellur which meant "flat stone". When Leif Erickkson came upon the North American Continent, he called it Hellurland, or "Land of the Flat Stones". Hmmm. Land of the Flat Stones. Sounds more like a graveyard than Satans House.

The short and ugly version for those who have not been paying attention, Hell = a grave plot.