Christians who are attracted to Transsexuals.

[Jenae LaTorque]

As anyone who has followed this thread is aware, it started out as a Christian who was looking to resolve his inner conflicts regarding his attraction to Tgirls. Sigma said, "there is nothing in the Bible that refers to transsexuals." In answer, I pointed out a relevant passage that clearly refers to transgenderism: "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an ABOMINATION to the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 22:5)

And what is his reply. "The Bible does not truly speak about transsexuals. It did mention clothing, but not the medical and psychological problems that transsexuals have. However transsexuals did not exist during those periods. Also transsexualism is being more viewed as a medical issue."
All he is doing here is quibbling. The Bible does not contain essays on the medical and pschological aspect of murder either; shall we quibble if murder is allright then? He then states another factual error that transexuals did not exist then. Obviously they did, or there would not be a proscription against the wearing of the clothing of the other sex. History is full of instances of trangenderism and/or cross-dressing. I also directed him to a site that goes into much greater detail on the issue of transgenderism and religion. Note here-Sigma never says whether he visited the site, I do know that he never expressed any appreciation for my effort in finding it for him.


Now, we get to the crutch part. A crutch is a means to supply support where it is needed. A lame man may use one to make his way through the world. Some would describe drugs and alcohol as crutches for people who need them to face life. When Alcoholics Anonymous cure people; what is one of the most successful treatments they use? They have had a lot of success with Replacement Therapy. They replace the alcohol crutch with the religious crutch. If religion is not a crutch, then why do most people turn to it when they have a big problem. I will tell you about a guy named George. He used to have a big drinking problem. Then he turned to religion and some time later he got to be President of the USA. So there is no doubt about it; religion can be a very effective crutch. Some people use it a great deal, while others turn to it only in times of crisis. Sigma has found that his crutch does not fit right and needs some adjustment. I simply said for him to throw away his crutch and walk down the road of life without it. I suspect that they found the allusion somewhat discomfiting.


Now enters Gor Gar. Here we have a Christian who has been able to reconcile his religion with his Tgirl attraction. OK, nothing new there. Christians have been doing that since day one of the Christ belief. If they all really believed in Jesus, why then we would be over run with people running around doing good for others. Let's look at Georgie again. Here is a man who has a personal net worth of over 20 million bucks. And yet he says he is a believer. And what is crazy is that people believe him People have a habit of rationalizing their own behavior and if needed, will alter their creed to serve their purpose(s). This is why there are so many differant denominations of Christian churches who have such widely varying beliefs. And then you have the Muslims and the Jews who all worship the same God of Abraham. OK I guess it's just "diferant crutches for differant folks". So Gor has done the rationalization and does not feel anymore that he is attracted to those "abominations." Worked for him, so he urges Sigma to seek the same solution. So basically, he is saying to whittle on that crutch until it fits, while I am saying to throw the crutch away, you don't need it.

And of course being the good Christion that he claims to be, Sigma is receptive to his fellow Christian cripple, and hostile to the idea of walking on his own two feet. Heaven forbid !!!!!!!!!!

As for the parable of the adultress, I was just curious to see if I was contending with an informed Christian or not. By his answer, I would judge that he was ignorant about that issue and probably a great deal more concerning his religion. I am not saying he is stupid; no, far from it. His use of words indicate that he isn't. However, I do assert that he is intellectually lazy when it come to religious issues. Of course that places him in the majority of Christians. Most of them are content to be just sheep and follow wherever their shepard leads them.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

People have a habit of rationalizing their own behavior and if needed, will alter their creed to serve their purpose(s).

This is true of all people; not just religious folk. As with any human institution, religion is not infallibe.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

This is true of all people; not just religious folk. As with any human institution, religion is not infallibe.

So true, we have all done it. When I was young and dumb, and full of cum, I too believed there was a God. After all, that was the consensus of those around me. As I grew up, I began to notice that what people said were their beliefs and what their actions showed were sometimes polar opposites. By the time I reached college age, it was pretty obvious to me that the prime reason that people believed in God was because they wanted to. For most of them it was not because they had read the Bible. No, most people were actually pretty ignorant of what was contained between the covers. Outside of what they had picked up from the movies they really were pretty much in the dark concerning the main body of Scripture that they believed in. There were a surprising number of them that thought Ben Hur (movie) was a story from the Bible. I kid you not! I encountered people who would not believe that Ben Hur was a fictional account written by the ex govenor of New Mexico. They were so sure it was from the Bible. This ignorance of the Bible was understandable several centuries ago when many people were illiterate and depended on their local priest, pastor, preacher etc. for his reading. But there have been translations available in contemporary language for quite some time now and the literacy rate has never been higher.

So why do they believe? One of you good Christians had better explain it to me.

And to Mel Asher, if anybody is being contemptuous, you lead the pack. First you come on like you are an adult talking to children. A fine example of Christian humility you are.Then you characterize Dawkins using the word "ilk" which has negative connatations. Then you portray him as some negative person whose main aim is to put down religion. I realize that you have never read his books because that is so obvious from your tone. All you are doing is parroting what your shepards have said, you silly sheep! Then you make a totally ambiguous statement that it comes down to institutional faith versus personal faith. What a non-statement! Perhaps you had better expound on that by defining each and explaining the conflict between them and what the hell it has to do with the subject here.

While you are at it, please explain what "pauline crusaders" are in your use of the term. Your ready use of the term indicated that it must have some kind of relevance. So I consulted several referances and went to Google on it, but turned up nil.

[transjen]

I want to point out a fact that every bible thumper always forget about and the fact is GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE it was writen by humans
Jerseygirl Jen

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by transjen

I want to point out a fact that every bible thumper always forget about and the fact is GOD DID NOT WRITE THE BIBLE it was writen by humans
Jerseygirl Jen

AND......edited by humans.....and translated (in many cases, mistranslated).......and interpreted and mis interpreted ......and used as an authority to justify wrong doing such as slavery and the opression of women......bah, humbug!!

I would like to point out also that the Christian Bible is not alone here. The Islamic Quaran has been misued in much the same ways. Another thing is has in common with the Bible is that it wasn't written by the main man either. Just as we have no words that Jesus wrote, neither are there words that Muhammad wrote - the man was illiterate.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

As I grew up, I began to notice that what people said were their beliefs and what their actions showed were sometimes polar opposites. By the time I reached college age, it was pretty obvious to me that the prime reason that people believed in God was because they wanted to. For most of them it was not because they had read the Bible. No, most people were actually pretty ignorant of what was contained between the covers. Outside of what they had picked up from the movies they really were pretty much in the dark concerning the main body of Scripture that they believed in.

I've noticed this too. Most people are Christian in name only.

Originally Posted by Jenae La Torque

This ignorance of the Bible was understandable several centuries ago when many people were illiterate and depended on their local priest, pastor, preacher etc. for his reading.

The Bible was written in parable and verse because the people weren't as intelectually advanced as they are now and trying to explain certain things like thermodynamics or something would only result in a blank stare or a scratching of the crown.

Originally Posted by Jenae La Torque

So why do they believe? One of you good Christians had better explain it to me.

Do some use the Christian belief system as a crutch? Yes. Does that mean anyone who believes in the Christian faith uses it as a crutch? No. Lumping people together like that is rather ignorant. There are some of us who view it as a goal to strive for rather than a crutch. Ain't nothing wrong with hope.

[mustang1]

Where's the moderator when you need him? Its time this thread was put out of its misery.

If people want a religious debate, there are no doubt forums for that on the net.

I'm not a god believer, I believe man created God in the beginning to fulfill his needs. But now that God is a monster out of control who creates man, as in the terrorist acts of fanatical Muslims and the behavior of similarly brainwashed Christian fundamentalists.

But I would not bash or flame good Muslims or Christians for their beliefs, provided they're prepared to live and let live, any more than I'd accept them bashing transsexuals or their admirers.

So lets go back to our corners and accept everyone's right to hold their own different but equally valid views. I think that's called maturity.