Christians who are attracted to Transsexuals.

[Jenae LaTorque]

[quote=Sigma;109223]
However there is nothing in the Bible that refers to transsexuals.

Wrong, there are several passages that do refer to this. One is:

"A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an ABOMINATION to the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Every T-girl I've seen has worn women's clothes, so there you go! So, according to your Bible I am an abomination. Of course that doesn't bother me because I know that your Bible, while containing many lessons of value, is basically just a collection of old folktales and quasi-history. Jesus was a great man who left many wonderful thoughts for us but as for the pie in the sky bit, that is wishful dreaming.

Now you have a conflict here. How much of a conflict depends on what kind of a Christian you are. Are you a progressive or old line Evangelical Christian? The progressive churches are soft on homosexuality while the Evangical of course are not.

This site may help you: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm


I would say that you are looking for someone to give you another crutch to lean on. I am telling you that as a human being, you need to stand up and throw away your crutches and walk.

[Sigma]

[QUOTE=Jenae LaTorque;109238]

Originally Posted by Sigma

However there is nothing in the Bible that refers to transsexuals.

Wrong, there are several passages that do refer to this. One is:

"A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman's garment, for all who do so are an ABOMINATION to the Lord your God." (Deuteronomy 22:5)

Every T-girl I've seen has worn women's clothes, so there you go! So, according to your Bible I am an abomination. Of course that doesn't bother me because I know that your Bible, while containing many lessons of value, is basically just a collection of old folktales and quasi-history. Jesus was a great man who left many wonderful thoughts for us but as for the pie in the sky bit, that is wishful dreaming.

Now you have a conflict here. How much of a conflict depends on what kind of a Christian you are. Are you a progressive or old line Evangelical Christian? The progressive churches are soft on homosexuality while the Evangical of course are not.

This site may help you: http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_bibl.htm


I would say that you are looking for someone to give you another crutch to lean on. I am telling you that as a human being, you need to stand up and throw away your crutches and walk.

The Bible does not truly speak about transsexuals. It did mention clothing, but not the medical and psychological problems that transsexuals have. However transsexuals did not exist during those periods. Also transsexualism is being more viewed as a medical issue.

Excuse you. I am not looking for a crutch to lean. You don't know me so don't judge me.

[Jenae LaTorque]

[quote=Sigma;109252
The Bible does not truly speak about transsexuals.

Of course the Bible does not speak directly about Transexuals. Wise up, the term is a relative new one compared to that dusty old book. The Bible doesn't mention evolution, genetics, nuclear science, MTV, YouTube, the internet, and a jillion other things either. Why? Because it was written for the most part over 1900 years ago. Now if this "word of god" mentioned electrons, the human genome, or even the correct order of our solar system, now then you might have something. The only reason it is still even bothered with is because it is a crutch for people who can't face the fact of their own mortality.

Of course the Bible doesn't talk about the medical and psychological aspects directly and yes there were transexuals then. Many other culture have a long history of them. The Bible doesn't mention mental illness either; people were posessed by demons then.... not mentally ill. It has a great host of other ignorant ideas in it also. Many of the heroes of the Bible would be tried as war criminals today. There are many good things in that book, but you have to face the fact that some of it was written by ignorant men and is utter trash and some of it is dangerous trash because there are still people who believe it. Much the same can be said of the Quaran.

Am I judging you. Yes. I do because I've been there. Fortunately, I grew out of that phase. If you insist on believing in Jesus, then what you have to ask yourself is: Would Jesus condemn transexuals? No, I don't believe he would. Jesus was a compassionate, forgiving, and understanding man. Think about what Jesus actually said and ignore Paul, he was a power hungry maniac who never really knew Jesus. Have you ever noticed that Paul doesn't really seem to know much about Jesus? Which is not that strange because I have met many professed Christians that don't seem to know much about him either. Do you?

[Sigma]

[QUOTE=Jenae LaTorque;109262][quote=Sigma;109252
The Bible does not truly speak about transsexuals.

Of course the Bible does not speak directly about Transexuals. Wise up, the term is a relative new one compared to that dusty old book. The Bible doesn't mention evolution, genetics, nuclear science, MTV, YouTube, the internet, and a jillion other things either. Why? Because it was written for the most part over 1900 years ago. Now if this "word of god" mentioned electrons, the human genome, or even the correct order of our solar system, now then you might have something. The only reason it is still even bothered with is because it is a crutch for people who can't face the fact of their own mortality.

Of course the Bible doesn't talk about the medical and psychological aspects directly and yes there were transexuals then. Many other culture have a long history of them. The Bible doesn't mention mental illness either; people were posessed by demons then.... not mentally ill. It has a great host of other ignorant ideas in it also. Many of the heroes of the Bible would be tried as war criminals today. There are many good things in that book, but you have to face the fact that some of it was written by ignorant men and is utter trash and some of it is dangerous trash because there are still people who believe it. Much the same can be said of the Quaran.

Am I judging you. Yes. I do because I've been there. Fortunately, I grew out of that phase. If you insist on believing in Jesus, then what you have to ask yourself is: Would Jesus condemn transexuals? No, I don't believe he would. Jesus was a compassionate, forgiving, and understanding man. Think about what Jesus actually said and ignore Paul, he was a power hungry maniac who never really knew Jesus. Have you ever noticed that Paul doesn't really seem to know much about Jesus? Which is not that strange because I have met many professed Christians that don't seem to know much about him either. Do you?[/QUOTE]

I know the WORD TRANSSEXUAL is relatively new. I have common sense. I know why the bible does not mention many things in today's world.

You are judging me based off of nothing more than my religion. You have no knowledge of my views as a Christian, but judge me anyway. You don't even know who I am.

All I asked was a religious view of this matter, not a topic for people to judge me based off of nothing.

[barry]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

The only reason it is still even bothered with is because it is a crutch for people who can't face the fact of their own mortality.

i'll be the first to step right up and say its just a book and i also feel that when you die - you die - end program - shows over, go home - fade to black

however i cant get behind you on this quote. some perhaps use it as such however i think most use it as a mechanism of faith - a belief in something more - who the hell am i to say to people there is nothing but your roting carcass in a pine box when its all said in done. i have the right to that just as others have the right to belief in something beyond that.

[Gor Gar]

Sigma, about the only thing you can do with this personal struggle you seem to be facing is to take it to prayer. You could talk to 20 different people about this dilemma and you'd get 20 different answers...put it in God's hands and see where He directs you. Pray about it and fast over it if you feel the need, and most importantly have faith that He will give you an answer.

Now, as for my personal opinion, being a Christian myself, you can look at it like this: If a person is born crippled they would take the necessary steps to correct their handicap, be it corrective shoes, leg braces, or whatever. Same with the person who may have trouble with their vision; they may get corrective surgery or the proper prescription for eye glasses. If t-girls are women who were born in the wrong body, then they're doing nothing more than taking steps in fixing their personal "handicap".

Or, perhaps you could view it this way: if all you're doing is looking and fantasizing, and if you never cross the line of physical contact, then I wouldn't think you'd get into a lot of trouble with The Almighty. Folks have fantasies all the time, and sometimes we don't always know the origin of said fantasies. You fantasize about chicks with dicks...okay...compare that to, say, a guy who might fantasize about snuff sex or child molestation...your fantasies are TAME by comparison. But if said guy never acts on those questionable urges that may fuel his fires when he's at home alone and the doors are locked, then he can't get held accountable for such atrocities. Likewise, if you think that you risk eternal damnation by having sex with a t-girl, then simply never act on the fantasies. Keep them two-dimensional and in your head.

But with all of that said, again, I'll stress that you should take it to prayer and see how the Lord moves your conscience. Best wishes to you in that.

And Jenae, if you're reading this, you seriously need to cool off with the "crutch" vitriol. If dropping your faith works for you, then by all means revel in it, but please do not trivialize or downplay the beliefs of others. Sigma didn't come on here condemning anybody with his question.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Crutch vitriol?? Yes the medicine of TRUTH may be bitter to you lame people, but it is still the TRUTH!

Question: Do you believe the parable about the adultress who was to be stoned and Jesus supposably said "Let him without sin cast the first stone"?

[Gor Gar]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Crutch vitriol?? Yes the medicine of TRUTH may be bitter to you lame people, but it is still the TRUTH!

Question: Do you believe the parable about the adultress who was to be stoned and Jesus supposably said "Let him without sin cast the first stone"?

Oh, so we're lame huh? That comment shouldn't surprise me, considering how I've seen you quoting the likes of Sam Harris in another post. You would think that a person in your shoes would understand a little something called TOLERANCE better than your average person. But then, I guess tolerance is only cool as long as it's not applied to Christians, right?

As for that parable, yes, I believe it happened, though I don't understand why you bring it up. But while you're paraphrasing Jesus, you might want to also consider what He said pertaining to judgment: "Before you see the splinter in another man's eye, remove the beam from your own."

[new believer]

Originally Posted by mustang1

Where's the moderator when you need him? Its time this thread was put out of its misery.

If people want a religious debate, there are no doubt forums for that on the net.

I'm not a god believer, I believe man created God in the beginning to fulfill his needs. But now that God is a monster out of control who creates man, as in the terrorist acts of fanatical Muslims and the behavior of similarly brainwashed Christian fundamentalists.

But I would not bash or flame good Muslims or Christians for their beliefs, provided they're prepared to live and let live, any more than I'd accept them bashing transsexuals or their admirers.

So lets go back to our corners and accept everyone's right to hold their own different but equally valid views. I think that's called maturity.

A rather grim view this one. But many believe as mustang1 does in his opening statement. But while some facts I agree with here, I disagree with 'different views being equally valid'. Some views can be wrong. Most in the Muslim world would stone to death(or worse) a gay person,much less a TG. I as a Christian don't accept that as 'maturity'. Some 'Christians' might also, but they don't practice true Christiananity. Their just basket cases.
As far as the bible and TG's, nothing. They did not exist at that time. Gays/Transvestites. I'm sure they were around and were probably 'accepted' as much as today.(maybe more so).
Every Christian is,or should be, aware that over the ages each Pope had 'removed' or re-translated parts of the Bible according to beliefs more closely to their own personnel thoughts/opinions.
Like today, people rewrite 'facts' to their own sense of political correctness.
Christ did have an open opinion to all, hated no one and accepted people for what they were period. His sex life is a mystery because early people in charge removed it from the writings.
I'll cling to his 'acceptance'.

[Kakariko]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

The Bible doesn't mention evolution, genetics, nuclear science, MTV, YouTube, the internet, and a jillion other things either.

I don't want to restart or get into any sort of argument, just wanted to note that the Bible does mention some of these things. It doesn't mention MTV, though it does mention television, which I think is pretty cool, considering how old the Bible is. I can't remember where from exactly, but if I can find it, I'll post the book, chapter and verse that it's from.

Also, I only read about half of this thread, so please don't hurt me for saying something that may have already been said. I'm just lazy

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by Kakariko

I don't want to restart or get into any sort of argument, just wanted to note that the Bible does mention some of these things. It doesn't mention MTV, though it does mention television, which I think is pretty cool, considering how old the Bible is. I can't remember where from exactly, but if I can find it, I'll post the book, chapter and verse that it's from.

Also, I only read about half of this thread, so please don't hurt me for saying something that may have already been said. I'm just lazy

Well I am waiting for you to produce that quotation from the Bible that mentions television because you are full of beans kiddo!

[Kakariko]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Well I am waiting for you to produce that quotation from the Bible that mentions television because you are full of beans kiddo!

Well, it's not directly mentioned, but the use of television/internet is insinuated. In Revelations chapter 11 it mentions the death of two prophets. Chapters 9, 10 and 11 read: "Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. For three and a half days men from every people, tribe, language and nation will gaze on their bodies and refuse them burial. The inhabitants of the earth will gloat over them and will celebrate by sending each other gifts, because these two prophets had tormented those who live on the earth."

Back in the days of the Bible, there was no existing technology which would allow people all over the world to see what happened in one place. In those days, it would be crazy for someone like me, from Australia to be able to see someone who was in Egypt. Also, I suppose it's not just a subtle reference to TV/internet but any sort of multimedia sharing device, so phones would be included in this also.

Not as directly mentioned as I remember, but still.. it's there. Pretty neat, huh?

[franalexes]

NO! It doesn't say ALL men from ALL nations,( and I don't know if your quote is correct) it says men from all nations. That could mean one man from every nation only. Where do we have that? The closest is New York, United Nations. Or it could be refering to all the nations under Abraham since they claim that Jerusalem is their holy city.

"You know not the hour that I shall come"
Don't waste time on this. Just be ready.