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[randolph]

Originally Posted by sesame

Good post!

TraiLokye Yani Bhutani,
Tani Sarvani Dehatah.
~Yoga Shastras. (sanskrit)

Meaning: Whatever is contained in the Universe, is already there inside the human body. Whatever happens in the Macrocosm, can be known by knowing the Kundalini trapped inside the Microcosm. The Nine chakras resemble the external Universe.

I don't believe in reincarnation, however, as I have mentioned before, the mind goes beyond quantitative science, it is qualitative. Discovering ones kundalini latent energy will confirm this. Transcending the ego and becoming aware of ones inner female energy is "enlightment". She is often called Uma Parvati the inner goddess, the soul. I worship her, she is the ultimate pleasure.

[sesame]

Originally Posted by randolph

I don't believe in reincarnation, however, as I have mentioned before, the mind goes beyond quantitative science, it is qualitative.

What is the mind then, if it can transcend the physical plane?

Discovering ones kundalini latent energy will confirm this. Transcending the ego and becoming aware of ones inner female energy is "enlightment".
She is often called Uma Parvati the inner goddess, the soul. I worship her, she is the ultimate pleasure.

On one hand you admit the inner God /Goddess as the soul; and then you deny the existence of the eternal soul!

Does this Inner Goddess die? Was she ever born out of anything?
If not, you and I are talking about the same thing.
You call it Uma and I call it Soul, someone else calls it God.

The Yoga Sutras say that we are born again and again because of this desire for ephemeral things. When we realise our inner nature, which is complete and eternal, we do not thirst anymore... for we become one with the ultimate source of bliss and peace. That is called Kaivalya or Nirvana.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by sesame

What is the mind then, if it can transcend the physical plane?


On one hand you admit the inner God /Goddess as the soul; and then you deny the existence of the eternal soul!

Does this Inner Goddess die? Was she ever born out of anything?
If not, you and I are talking about the same thing.
You call it Uma and I call it Soul, someone else calls it God.

The Yoga Sutras say that we are born again and again because of this desire for ephemeral things. When we realise our inner nature, which is complete and eternal, we do not thirst anymore... for we become one with the ultimate source of bliss and peace. That is called Kaivalya or Nirvana.

I am not Indian or Hindu so this is difficult for me to conceptualize into words. My inner female spirit/soul is unique to me as I "view" her. When I die this female energy returns to the vast field of female energy in the universe. An analogy might be the Higgs field, which I imagine as female dark energy, which science is unable to "see". Each one of us, while living, has some of that energy within us. That energy is the same in all of us. I relate to mine as Uma. Another adept may relate to it in another way, but always female.
I think the Yoga Sutras are another way of saying that when we transcend our ego, we no longer direct our desires and needs outward. I meditate for two hours every morning. During that time I love the goddess. We play with each other, she takes many forms including transsexual, she is very erotic. I feel that since she is a spirit lacking a "body" she enjoys the sensual pleasures created within my body, my body is hers. The ego strongly resists this relationship. He wants to control all of my thoughts and actions. However, Uma is a lot more fun to be with. After my meditation, my ego returns and the usual daily life returns.
As the Dali Lama once said when asked "what is the meaning of life" he answered, "pleasure".

[sesame]

Randolph,
Did you notice one thing? The Ask me oracle is not answering our queries anymore. We are answering each other. I think thats a degeneration of commitment on her part. Bad Bumblebee! :D

What you are doing in your mind during your vivid meditation is Visualisation of the Tantras. Now, Tantras dont deny the existence of the Soul, but their philosophy is based on the evolution of the Soul to power and freedom. Have you read MahaNirvana Tantra or, Tantra of the Great Liberation? There is a nice version translated by Sir John Woodroffe.

[TracyCoxx]

The mind is the group behavior of the neurons that make up the brain. If the properties of neurons and chemicals in the brain are fully accounted for along with how they interact with each other, then the mind becomes a quantitative science. Since we do not know all the all the properties of neurons or at least cannot fully grasp how they interact with each other then it only appears to go beyond quantitative science. That is only our failure to fully grasp what is going on.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

The mind is the group behavior of the neurons that make up the brain. If the properties of neurons and chemicals in the brain are fully accounted for along with how they interact with each other, then the mind becomes a quantitative science. Since we do not know all the all the properties of neurons or at least cannot fully grasp how they interact with each other then it only appears to go beyond quantitative science. That is only our failure to fully grasp what is going on.

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Arthur C. Clarke

We will probably eventually build a machine that can read thoughts. That could get us closer to "knowing" the mind. However, we still do not understand quantum mechanics. The mathematics work but as Fineman said "nobody understands quantum mechanics". We are no further along than we were sixty years ago. Until we can come up with a quantum theory compatible with Einstein's, the mind will always remain an enigma from a "scientific" standpoint. Until then, the goddess rules!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

We will probably eventually build a machine that can read thoughts. That could get us closer to "knowing" the mind. However, we still do not understand quantum mechanics. The mathematics work but as Fineman said "nobody understands quantum mechanics". We are no further along than we were sixty years ago. Until we can come up with a quantum theory compatible with Einstein's, the mind will always remain an enigma from a "scientific" standpoint. Until then, the goddess rules!

Neurons don't depend on our understanding to work the way they do. The mind is quantitative regardless of our understanding of the processes. Don't make the mistake of believing in Idealism. And by the way, we have made a lot of advances in quantum mechanics in the last 60 years.

[JodieTs]

I have another question. A sensible question.
A question that will tax your IQ to its very limits and stretch the
sinews of your knowledge to bursting point.

The question is this:
Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite,
would you like a toasted tea-cake?

[Rachel]

I remember the show but was too young to really get into it.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

I have another question. A sensible question.
A question that will tax your IQ to its very limits and stretch the
sinews of your knowledge to bursting point.

The question is this:
Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite,
would you like a toasted tea-cake?

I suggest that this question requires considerable discussion with you over glasses of fine wine and plenty of tea cakes.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

I have another question. A sensible question.
A question that will tax your IQ to its very limits and stretch the
sinews of your knowledge to bursting point.

The question is this:
Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite,
would you like a toasted tea-cake?

Well, you know the old saying "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth." I don't subscribe to that at all. I am much more of the persuasion; "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts." True altruism is very rare, and so I have to consider what the giver is wanting in return, whether they are aware of their expectations or not. First off; your 2 givens are nonsensical so I am instantly on guard since you have already placed unkwowable conditions on your offer. Then I have to ask; what is a toasted tea cake? So off I go to Wikipedia and they don't sound too bad.... so at least you aren't offering hagis or some other questionable delicacy. So then I have to wonder what your motive is. Are you just being polite and wish to commune with another over tea, or do you have some ulterior motive. Perhaps you crave my body and wish to do perform evil deeds upon my tender flesh. Or maybe the reverse is true. In any case I would probably accept since it might be interesting. Of course I would have my escape planned in case of need.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by sesame

Randolph,
Did you notice one thing? The Ask me oracle is not answering our queries anymore. We are answering each other. I think thats a degeneration of commitment on her part. Bad Bumblebee! :D

What you are doing in your mind during your vivid meditation is Visualisation of the Tantras. Now, Tantras dont deny the existence of the Soul, but their philosophy is based on the evolution of the Soul to power and freedom. Have you read MahaNirvana Tantra or, Tantra of the Great Liberation? There is a nice version translated by Sir John Woodroffe.

Thanks Sesame,
You are the first person that I have been able to share these ideas with. I have many books in eastern mysticism and have been meditating for ten years. I tried go get my wife interested but she refused. There are no gurus where I live so I have taken the path alone. Thanks for the references, I will check them out.