How important is passable/female identity?

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

Hey Dude, I take cash only no checks and no English currency.

Get a new cartoon profile. You can keep hiding behind your computer like a scared little man.

May I remind you that it was you who started insulting me in this thread, and that I merely posted about my own experience relevant to the topic on an OPEN FORUM. You're repeating the same thing over and over whenever you see my avatar, which you no doubt admire so much, to the degree that is almost obsessive.

I'm not going to be one of your clientele; there's no need for you to sell yourself to me at every opportunity.

He who talks shit and hides behinds a computer, that should be your Indian name.

You show me a TS I'll show you a girl with 1000 pics of herself.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

He who talks shit and hides behinds a computer, that should be your Indian name.

You show me a TS I'll show you a girl with 1000 pics of herself.

I never said I didn't have pictures - I said I wasn't going to post them here. I know it drives you mad; that's merely an amusing aftereffect rather than an intended consequence.

PS: Ever hear of the pot calling the kettle black?

Originally Posted by smolderingtemptress

I never said I didn't have pictures - I said I wasn't going to post them here.

Now I know you're a man.

There is no tranny on the planet, who having gone through the pain and personal struggle of transformation, would not proudly display her face to the world.

Now you show your respect to a fully developed transsexual woman, a woman who took every step, legally and physically to reach my status. Until you do I'll ride your ass like one of my clients, which is what you want.

I've brought some life to this board, before it was full of empty niceties. Now I see some feeling. You're all quite welcome.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I've brought some life to this board, before it was full of empty niceties. Now I see some feeling. You're all quite welcome.

MEL,

Or is it malicious?


Are you the cock that stirs the honey pot?


Piece,


TAL

Originally Posted by Talvenada

Are you the cock that stirs the honey pot?

I am the shiznitz

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

I've brought some life to this board, before it was full of empty niceties. Now I see some feeling. You're all quite welcome.

"Empty niceties"?
You mean like people actually being pleasant to each other?

Yeah, you're right -- we should really "thank you" for taking that away. We should thank you for throwing around an over-sized ego, or for insulting any fellow TS that are here simply because they don't agree with you on something or because they won't post their picture (choosing instead to protect their privacy online). And we should thank you for taking cheap shots at people -- like making fun of someone who lives in a foreign country, so English is obviously not their first language, and all they want to do is try and share some thoughts of their own on a public message board. Yeah, you're right, Melissa. We really owe you for all that you've given us. Like a cheap hooker who stakes out a spot on a local corner, you've added SO much class the neighborhood.

Oh, wait -- you ARE a cheap hooker.
So, I guess that comment is literally on target.

Ah, the sweet ironies in life...

Creative, I can always count on you to read my every word unfortunately I cannot return the favor.

You can contact me privately whenever you are ready for our date bring lube.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

Now I know you're a man.

There is no tranny on the planet, who having gone through the pain and personal struggle of transformation, would not proudly display her face to the world.

Now you show your respect to a fully developed transsexual woman, a woman who took every step, legally and physically to reach my status. Until you do I'll ride your ass like one of my clients, which is what you want.

Looks like someone's starved for attention.

[franalexes]

Passing is not one thing.
PASSING is EVERYTHING !

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

For me, passability is in the eye of the beholder, and it's not for a TS to say whether they're passable or not.

Some might say passability is overrated and what's most important is that you're happy in your own skin. While that is true don't let them fool you- passing is huge for any TS.

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

Now I know you're a man.

There is no tranny on the planet, who having gone through the pain and personal struggle of transformation, would not proudly display her face to the world.

Now you show your respect to a fully developed transsexual woman, a woman who took every step, legally and physically to reach my status. Until you do I'll ride your ass like one of my clients, which is what you want.

Epic fail.
Also, you are very shouty, in a blokey sort of way.

[URL="http://melissacarter.net/melissastory.html"]blog http://melissacarter.net/melissastory.htm[URL]
UPDATE: September 2008

In late Febraury, broke and depressed, I couldn't bear the thought of looking for yet another real estate job, which I was sure to be fired from. I had briefly dabbled in the escort scene. I decided to give it another whirl

At the same time I was meeting many clients and being exposed to a darker side of life, which included drugs. I quickly became hooked on freebase cocaine and all but ruined my life in a few short months.

Lost in addiction, and having the money to finance it, I had become an out of control addict of the highest order. This seemed to go well with my lifestyle, or so I thought, and by July my life was nothing more than that of a crack whore.
Oh, that explains your rant.
Interesting read, though.

[Michaela]

I know that I will never pass.
I have feminine face, but there is nothing I can do about my length.
But still I have the right to be myself.
Most transgenders and transsexuals have something that give them away, we are not perfect.

The women on this site are very beautiful, but they are as representative for the average trans-woman as the girls in fashion magazine are for the average cis-woman.

Why do you expect us to be perfect? Most cis-women are not.
Beauty exists in many forms, it doesn't need to be perfect.

If you ever meet one of us IRL, I hope that you see the whole human in us, not just somebody for your own sexual desire.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Michaela

I know that I will never pass.
I have feminine face, but there is nothing I can do about my length.
But still I have the right to be myself.
Most transgenders and transsexuals have something that give them away, we are not perfect.

The women on this site are very beautiful, but they are as representative for the average trans-woman as the girls in fashion magazine are for the average cis-woman.

Why do you expect us to be perfect? Most cis-women are not.
Beauty exists in many forms, it doesn't need to be perfect.

If you ever meet one of us IRL, I hope that you see the whole human in us, not just somebody for your own sexual desire.

I can only speak for myself, not other men on this site, but while I certainly enjoy looking at (and even posting some of the) porn here, my attraction to transwomen goes well beyond the exclusively sexual. And I really dislike this term "passable."

I respect and indeed celebrate your right to be yourself. Very well put. And while I agree with you that "beauty exists in many forms" and that it "doesn't need to be perfect," I do not believe that it is imperfect. If beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, than so too must be the "perfection" that is assigned to "beauty." So much that is wrong with how people feel about themselves in this world, especially women, is linked directly to the development of a kind of universal concept of what constitutes "perfect beauty." When the world gets away from that, we will all be better off. Personally, I have never found the girls in a fashion magazine (as you say) more beautiful than "real" women -- and by real, I include all transwomen.

By the way, where you write "there is nothing I can do about my length," I think perhaps you mean "height." I, for one cannot imagine finding it unfeminine if you are especially "long" in a certain place.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Michaela

I know that I will never pass.
The women on this site are very beautiful, but they are as representative for the average trans-woman as the girls in fashion magazine are for the average cis-woman.

Maybe but one word:
Photoshop.

Erer seen pics of kate moss after a long-haul flight?
& compared to the photos taken on the shoot just done?
Look like totally different people.
Its all makeup & photoshop.

Everyone watch this video:
http://www.boardsmag.com/screeningro...mercials/3421/

That is precisely how it all works. [smoke & mirrors]
So you, chill out & accept yourself,
& your height, about the same as a super-model
& that's good.

[mabedzaqueen]

[QUOTE=Michaela;146532]I know that I will never pass.
But still I have the right to be myself.
Most transgenders and transsexuals have something that give them away.
Why do you expect us to be perfect?

Well Michaela, your post has made some 'food for thought'... especially your heartfelt question 'why do you expect us to be perfect?'
The way I see it, lots of men are exposed to Erotica (and of course porn) at a relatively young age and this may well have a long-term influence on what THEY decide a 'beautiful' girl (or Tgirl) should look like. I've been a 'lurker' at this site for nearly 2 years before I finally decided to jump aboard; I've read lots of posts in many threads and the number of guys who admit having discovered transwomen "while surfing through porn" catches me off-guard...
Thus, one can easily imagine the 50something pervs (like me) who run porn studios hollering to those responsible of the casting, "Alright folks remember: the Hotter the Chicks, the Stiffer the Dicks"! And I'm quite sure the requirements for always prettier Tgirls also prevail in shemale porn.

So my conclusion is rather obvious. The typical, 20something lad who regularly bombards himself with images and movies of cuter-by-the-minute Tgirls will, whether you like it or not Michaela, expect his eventual translover to not stray too far from the 'concept' of beauty that has printed in his brain.
I believe the trick for you will be to find an exception, a guy who'll be able to see the beauty in your soul, your heart, your mind; a guy who's lookin for a PERSON he'll feel good with (regardless the gender); a guy who won't give a shit what people say or think when seen with you by his side...
I wish you the best, Michaela!

[liesjeversteven]

Ladies please, could you keep it civilized? There's nothing wrong with having different opinions. Just agree to disagree, and stop acting like two twelve year olds. At least keep the discussion at a level above the Jerry Springer show.
If you don't like each other, fine, then don't, but I think this board is hardly the place for this kind of trash talk.

Originally Posted by liesjeversteven

Ladies please, could you keep it civilized? There's nothing wrong with having different opinions. Just agree to disagree, and stop acting like two twelve year olds. At least keep the discussion at a level above the Jerry Springer show.
If you don't like each other, fine, then don't, but I think this board is hardly the place for this kind of trash talk.

Lady, it's one not two.

We have no evidence this hack is anything but a man tranny wannabee.

He also denigrates any TS who escorts, which encompasses some of the brightest stars and personalities in the TS community. I am not just defending myself but all TS who do what we do. He calls it a plague. I'm not gonna take that crap not on my thread.

[smolderingtemptress]

Originally Posted by liesjeversteven

Ladies please, could you keep it civilized? There's nothing wrong with having different opinions. Just agree to disagree, and stop acting like two twelve year olds. At least keep the discussion at a level above the Jerry Springer show.
If you don't like each other, fine, then don't, but I think this board is hardly the place for this kind of trash talk.

She won't stop. Watch her come at me in another thread later.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by TSmelissacarter

He who talks shit and hides behinds a computer, that should be your Indian name.

You show me a TS I'll show you a girl with 1000 pics of herself.

Or maybe we can show you someone who very simply is doing what 99.999% of everyone does on the Internet -- protecting their privacy.

Honestly, Melissa, I don't understand why you keep bringing up this personal attack on Smoldering. It's brainless, pointless, and no one here is buying the bullshit you're peddling -- no matter how much you want to constantly declare "If you don't love me now, you will", as if parading an over-sized ego is going to win you more admirers or win an argument. Every single time you address Smoldering in such a dismissive way, I think that YOU picture yourself as some sort of triumphant ape in the jungle thumping your chest...meanwhile the rest of us see you for what you really are: a day-dreaming trained chimp behind the bars of a local zoo, tapping their chest and desperately hoping that someone will pay you the slightest bit of attention or toss you a banana.

Look, you work as a hooker. Oh, sorry, I guess I should be more of a gentleman and be a bit more diplomatic. Fine, you're a self-declared "escort." But the bottom line is that you fuck for cash...you sell your face and body...therefore you have an actual BUSINESS reason for putting your face out there as much as possible. And you have an actual BUSINESS reason to promote your web site or blog as much as possible, too (as you do at the bottom of each of your posts), simply so potential clients can contact you and thus you can possibly make more money.

But Smoldering isn't a hooker. She has no reason to post her picture. For that matter, NO ONE here really does when you come right down to it. Hey, I'm a professional published writer...I'm a printed artist...plus I work in Hollywood having done work behind and, yes, in front of the camera, too. But that doesn't mean I have a need to declare "who" I am versus simply being here for some fun or to meet and make new friends. And once I've made those friends, fine -- THAT'S when you can confide in those people your real name or give them your e-mail address or phone number or trade pictures or whatever the hell else you want to do.

And why? Because at that point you trust them and you DO want to be friends with them.

So, ENOUGH ALREADY with this utter horse shit you keep throwing at Smoldering, especially your debasing charge that she must be a man sitting behind a computer simply because she won't show her picture to you. Fuck that shit right up its ass. You fucking bitch all the time and whine like a little baby about how tough your life has been compared to other people or other TS (as if they've never faced obstacles or tough times)...you complain about the things you had to overcome to find your own identity...you want to stroke your own cock and ego to declare how "passable" you are...and yet you don't want to show a single shred of decency or respect to any other person or TS who might be shy or who is trying to find themselves...or who simply wants their privacy respected on the Net.

And speaking on the whole "passable" issue, the one person with the truly RIGHT post here was Bionca, who as usual showed what a class act she is. I realize "passable" is a term that the TS community uses, but Bionca was 100% right -- what is the alternative to that word, that you "failed"? That now you must be ugly and thus you have NO worth in life at all?

Again, fuck that shit right up its ass. Speaking as someone who does live and work in Hollywood, let me tell you that the FIRST lesson you learn working out here is the depth (or lack there of) regarding people.

In a previous post and in another thread, I noted that you can break people down into two types: Those who want to help other people, who want to help those who are coming up the ladder behind them versus those who are angry, embittered, and totally self-serving. Those who will say "Fuck that. I had a hard time in life, no one helped me, so now you should have a rough time, too." The result: they DON'T help other people.

Well, you can now amend that a bit because here is another difference in the two types of people in life: there are those who are all consumed by looks versus those who realize the human spirit and all that we are as human beings comes from within. So, Melissa, if ALL you care about is looks...if all you care about is how "passable" you are OUTWARDLY...if being a hooker sprawled out in a hotel room collecting 500 bucks a shot for taking it up the ass is "how" you define your true femininity and self-worth...then you're a pretty sad excuse for a TS.

Not to mention, with a piss-poor attitude like yours, you've got to be a truly terrible fuck in bed, too.

Damn the volumes you write, Creative, you must be so in love with me. Keep writing, maybe I'll go on a date with you one night.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Hey, I'm a professional published writer...I'm a printed artist...plus I work in Hollywood having done work behind and, yes, in front of the camera, too

OK Bruce Willis, no wait, you're Clint Eastwood? I see you have no time to write dissertations on why Melissa Carter is a skank, lol. You must be so famous.