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A Heaven sent right - You can't be serious
Well, since I believe in a God, I'm quite serious. Now, that might not be true for you and certain beliefs that you have. But that's fine, I never said each person wasn't entitled to their own opinion. I was merely stating mine.

And I'm not ashamed to admit my beliefs. And as an American, I'm proud that I see eye-to-eye on this matter with our Founding Fathers -- and the elegant words of Thomas Jefferson -- who on July 4, 1776, signed the Declaration of Independence to create America with these resounding words...

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...


"Endowed by their Creator (that's Creator with a capital "C") with certain unalienable rights."
That sure sounds like a Heaven sent right to me!
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Well, since I believe in a God, I'm quite serious. Now, that might not be true for you and certain beliefs that you have. But that's fine, I never said each person wasn't entitled to their own opinion. I was merely stating mine.

And I'm not ashamed to admit my beliefs. And as an American, I'm proud that I see eye-to-eye on this matter with our Founding Fathers -- and the elegant words of Thomas Jefferson -- who on July 4, 1776, signed the Declaration of Independence to create America with these resounding words...

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness...


"Endowed by their Creator (that's Creator with a capital "C") with certain unalienable rights."
That sure sounds like a Heaven sent right to me!
You should never try to guess what my religious beliefs are and don't try to tell me what my religious beliefs are because you will always be wrong.

As for the "heaven sent right" it looked to me like you were trying to say that God has said to America "You have the right to make something of yourselves for yourselves." You will have to prove to me that that is a heaven sent right in order for me to believe such a statement. Just because Thomas Jefferson made a statement about what you interpret as heaven sent rights, it doesn't necessarily make it a true statement.
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