Posting Of Pay Site Images - All Read.

[WendyWilliams]

As a Producer myself I have to agree with Seanchai about posting "excessive" amounts of pictures from a set. I DO NOT have a problem with a fan posting some pictures to reply to a thread about something like "favorite shemale" "girls in glasses" ETC ETC HOWEVER I do NOT want someone posting excessive amounts from a set because I only usually release 15 pictures from a set for my affiliates..........Fans using pictures on boards is different to someone who is an affiliate and is providing traffic for that reason to my website. Those affiliates are usually providing a text link to my website and I am going to hopefully get traffic from that whereas a FAN posting pictures is usually more for "sharing" than for promotion, THOUGH sometimes it goes hand in hand.

So I LOVE LOVE to see and read threads about myself and the ladies I shoot but I hope people can realize how much money I spend to run a website and hold back with excessive posting of pictures from myself or my models sets.

Hugs
Wendy

NOW GET TO JACKING OFF LOL

[Jenae LaTorque]

Wendy,
Thank you, Classy Lady. It is nice to hear from you on this matter. Your input was very well put, and I couldn't agree with you more.

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seanchi, I would like to apologize for taking offense at your tone. I did do the google search you suggested. OOPS! I quickly saw part of our problem. It's that Scots-Irish heritage which we share. Not the most diplomatic people in the world are we? I am glad that this discussion did not get as hot as some board exchanges(wars?) I saw. I still have a problem seeing that the amount of traffic in pics here is a serious problem. I will say that there maybe was a problem with several threads though. Having an engineering background, I do notice numbers. And I had noticed the very high number of visits to the Harley thread. Since you have removed the majority of the pics, I was unable to assertain how many downloads there have been. Of the pics remaining, the high number was 353, with the majority falling under 100 views(downloads). The high count downloaded pic suggests that maybe it was just the tip of an iceberg and that many of the removed pics had a higher download number. It is still debatable how many of those "grabs" resulted in lost sales for you. There are some other threads that do have relatively high download counts, but in general, most pics here do not. A lot of this is due to the way download restrictions are. There are less than 180 members who have posts of over 100 and I suspect many of them, like me, don't download many pics here.
Then there are the numbers of who is here on the home page. At the present moment as I write this, there are 19 members and 59 guests here. Since guests are unable to download pics; their presence, while contributing to the count for thread visits, do not count any for downloaded pics. All they can do here is read the posts, save small pics, and follow links posted here. I can readily see where links to sites that do post massive amounts of "stolen material" is a matter of deep concern to producers, not only in your field, but in all areas. I don't envy you - your problems there.

Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.

I wish you the best of luck in your fight and like I said before - I don't envy you your problems. And I certainly don't envy your position as moderator - you can ask SSL about that.

[seanchai]

Jenae
After only just returning home after many years living abroad and even more years on the internet, I know it's a thin line in text compared to a much broader one verbally.

Respectfully, you can quote numbers to me all night ... if this forum had 5 members posting multiple sets, we'd still have a problem. This is not the only TG forum we work with, practically every decent forum out there we've had an agreement with and it's nothing new with this forum. Only when I returned from being away from the trip, did I notice to the extent some threads had gotten out of hand (incl. one posted today - see above).

If I hadn't made a notification, 95% of people probably wouldn't have realised we were asking for content to be deleted. However, given the fact that I will be watching more actively what's going up, in an effort to save my time and to be transparant, I made the requests.

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Wendy,
Thank you, Classy Lady. It is nice to hear from you on this matter. Your input was very well put, and I couldn't agree with you more.

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seanchi, I would like to apologize for taking offense at your tone. I did do the google search you suggested. OOPS! I quickly saw part of our problem. It's that Scots-Irish heritage which we share. Not the most diplomatic people in the world are we? I am glad that this discussion did not get as hot as some board exchanges(wars?) I saw. I still have a problem seeing that the amount of traffic in pics here is a serious problem. I will say that there maybe was a problem with several threads though. Having an engineering background, I do notice numbers. And I had noticed the very high number of visits to the Harley thread. Since you have removed the majority of the pics, I was unable to assertain how many downloads there have been. Of the pics remaining, the high number was 353, with the majority falling under 100 views(downloads). The high count downloaded pic suggests that maybe it was just the tip of an iceberg and that many of the removed pics had a higher download number. It is still debatable how many of those "grabs" resulted in lost sales for you. There are some other threads that do have relatively high download counts, but in general, most pics here do not. A lot of this is due to the way download restrictions are. There are less than 180 members who have posts of over 100 and I suspect many of them, like me, don't download many pics here.
Then there are the numbers of who is here on the home page. At the present moment as I write this, there are 19 members and 59 guests here. Since guests are unable to download pics; their presence, while contributing to the count for thread visits, do not count any for downloaded pics. All they can do here is read the posts, save small pics, and follow links posted here. I can readily see where links to sites that do post massive amounts of "stolen material" is a matter of deep concern to producers, not only in your field, but in all areas. I don't envy you - your problems there.

Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.

I wish you the best of luck in your fight and like I said before - I don't envy you your problems. And I certainly don't envy your position as moderator - you can ask SSL about that.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.

Truly, I find your excuses completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Let's see...

The request was made for people to exhibit some respect and self-control and limit posting pictures to 3 pictures from one set. This you answer by compiling data and statistics with the effort to show that there are few potential members here on this Forum and stating that it's all in the name of advertising?

Irrelevant to the original request. Who cares about your data and statistics which, to me, only show the narcissistic tendencies you seem to exhibit on a regular basis? The original point was, posting of content is getting out of hand and in a fair attempt at compromise and avoiding further action, 3 pictures was put forth as a limit. How does the potential member base here or the efficacy of advertising have any relevancy to the original topic?

You hurl unfounded insults to someone and then offer a backhanded apology (if you can call it that) and then further try to confuse the original issue?

Seriously, folks, I'm all for lively debate and will gladly take the time to explain my points of view. But let's not muddle the waters with insults and irrelevant points. I have yet to see someone respond logically to the points I have offered here without digressing into a 3rd grade, 'Well you're stupid' mentality (with the one possible exception of Be_my_nude).

[citoyen]

ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
with Seanchai's postulates, because there you no restrictions.
who offers a fair, you need not fear for his client. friendly greetings

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by citoyen

ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
with Seanchai's postulates, because there you no restrictions.
who offers a fair, you need not fear for his client. friendly greetings

Not quite sure what you're asking here... but, if my assumptions are correct, it seems you are asking what about newsgroups?

Newsgroups are a whole other ballgame and cannot be compared to Forums with moderation. Obviously, they are pretty difficult to police and hey, if you want to download stuff from there with the risk of trojans and viruses... more power to you.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Not quite sure what you're asking here... but, if my assumptions are correct, it seems you are asking what about newsgroups?

Newsgroups are a whole other ballgame and cannot be compared to Forums with moderation. Obviously, they are pretty difficult to police and hey, if you want to download stuff from there with the risk of trojans and viruses... more power to you.

I want to put it more clearly:
The news-group server thwarting the requirement of the industry to limitation. copyright as defined in the internet unclear.
Seanchai says what is clear. who wants to keep customers, it must treat them fairly. Otherwise they are looking for other opportunities. friendly greetings

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by citoyen

I want to put it more clearly:
The news-group server thwarting the requirement of the industry to limitation. copyright as defined in the internet unclear.
Seanchai says what is clear. who wants to keep customers, it must treat them fairly. Otherwise they are looking for other opportunities. friendly greetings

Again, I think things are being lost in translation. But, I think you're now saying that customers will go elsewhere if not treated fairly? I don't think anyone is stating differently.

Hey, I'm all for competition between businesses. I don't think you're quite being clear as to what you're saying 'treat them fairly' is all about. If you're stating that a particular company does not treat their members fairly, you should be able to back that statement up with facts though. If anyone is being treated unfairly, it is the sites who deliver the content to paying members and then have to deal with dishonest members who redistribute content illegally.

Copyright as defined in the Internet is NOT unclear. I don't know where this whole feeling comes from. Let's be clear... the Internet is just a big, fat, bloated library. Libraries are full of intellectual property that is (at least when I was a kid, it was... I haven't actually been to a physical library in some time) FREE. That doesn't mean that all the property contained in it is magically public domain. Just because something is ACCESSIBLE doesn't mean it's not owned by somebody. That's why most companies trademark their images...

Anyway... again... completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

Again, I think things are being lost in translation. But, I think you're now saying that customers will go elsewhere if not treated fairly? I don't think anyone is stating differently.

Hey, I'm all for competition between businesses. I don't think you're quite being clear as to what you're saying 'treat them fairly' is all about. If you're stating that a particular company does not treat their members fairly, you should be able to back that statement up with facts though. If anyone is being treated unfairly, it is the sites who deliver the content to paying members and then have to deal with dishonest members who redistribute content illegally.

Copyright as defined in the Internet is NOT unclear. I don't know where this whole feeling comes from. Let's be clear... the Internet is just a big, fat, bloated library. Libraries are full of intellectual property that is (at least when I was a kid, it was... I haven't actually been to a physical library in some time) FREE. That doesn't mean that all the property contained in it is magically public domain. Just because something is ACCESSIBLE doesn't mean it's not owned by somebody. That's why most companies trademark their images...

Anyway... again... completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

I boldly assert that the problems that are discussed in this topic are partly attributable to participate in the previously written.
Another aspect is the defined rules of a group, if
I want to move here, I must act according to them. ! IF I must draw the consequences and go other routes. 3, 15 or more images is no longer the question, SSL has clearly defined the proposition.
Moreover, philosophical discussions have sometimes sexy
surprises: the first blog to your views and not the last times. friendly greetings

[Jenae LaTorque]

I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.

The only objectionable drawback I can see to this reccomendation is that it will place a larger load on our moderators. Perhaps this load may be lessened soon if warnings and penalties are levied on members violating the rules. Hopefully incidents would decrease as the awareness rises.

In summation, I do believe, that for most of us, restrictions in the number of pics of a set are no hardship. There are a lot of promotional pics out there on the net anyway and there is no need for this forum to act as a prime source of pics.

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.

The only objectionable drawback I can see to this reccomendation is that it will place a larger load on our moderators. Perhaps this load may be lessened soon if warnings and penalties are levied on members violating the rules. Hopefully incidents would decrease as the awareness rises.

In summation, I do believe, that for most of us, restrictions in the number of pics of a set are no hardship. There are a lot of promotional pics out there on the net anyway and there is no need for this forum to act as a prime source of pics.

this is exactly the core. friendly greetings

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.

So, this is how you represent yourself publicly... wise, reasonable, etc.

BUT... this is how you answer someone privately? (see below) You have no other recourse in the face of logic but to backtrack on your statements, and hurl insults? Seriously... get a life.

Sorry folks... I typically wouldn't post something publicly that someone has stated privately but this is just rubbish and the true face of Jenae isn't as pleasant as her posts represent. This sent to me by Jenae in response to a private email she sent me.

PS: It was my CHOICE to get into porn, not out of necessity. I actually left a very successful career in the tech industry as an OM. My site has (and continues) to survive the current economic turmoils, which in itself proves that I have some business acumen. Quite honestly, I could really care less about your opinions about my looks, since my worth as a person isn't dependent on that, but you won't find me wallowing in the mud of insulting other people because I cannot build a logical and cohesive debate. If you take the time to read my posts, I think I've more than proved that I am pretty intelligent and can put together a reasonable discussion without having to stoop to insults. As stated before, I have yet to see some logical and well thought out answers (NOT EXCUSES) to the points I've made.

Damn if you ain't rather stupid. Because you can't understand numbers and what they indicate or downright prove, then you think they are irrelevant. Not only are you ignorant, but you wallow in it. No wonder you went into the sex business, you don't have the capacity to make it otherwise. To be honest, I did find your musings on your site somewhat interesting; I see now that is all you've got. You certainly ain't much to look at.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by citoyen

ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
with Seanchai's postulates, because there you no restrictions.
who offers a fair, you need not fear for his client. friendly greetings

Yoda ?????

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by seanchai

Yoda ?????

I am not master yoda from star wars, I must disappoint you, unfortunately. friendly greetings

[Jenae LaTorque]

Master Citoyen??

[citoyen]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Master Citoyen??

citoyen is the condition of the masters still far away.
friendly greetings