Posting Of Pay Site Images - All Read.

[violet lightning]

Seanchai,
I read your post, and while I can understand and appreciate your basic statement, I do think you are possibly being a little unrealistic and you definitely sound a little snarkey and rude to other members of this forum who like you, are just trying to voice their opinion and perhaps engage in some dialog with you on this subject.
Are you saying that by law no one should be to allowed to repost any material from any of your sites?

I have been a paying member of some of your sites, and I have never posted any full set (or even much content-there are so many other sites out there). Most of us just post our favorite pics from each set or girl.
But I am confused a little. I see dozens of promo free sets on all kinds of freebie sites(each with up to 10 or more pics) that change daily, and I assume that those are free for anyone to download. Are those free pages done without your permission? If not, do you expect people to just download the same 3 pics only from a free page of 10 or more pics? Thats absurd. Why even have teaser or free pages at all? (because, I suspect, that its good for your business)

Like our posts, the preview pages aren't the full sets, just teasers. If you want the really good pics, you need to join, (as many do). In a forum like this, eventually people can post enough pics from various sources, that maybe eventually there is almost a complete set, but this is pretty rare and happens with only the most popular girls.
I agree people should not post entire sets from the actual pay sites, but almost everyone here just posts freebies, or pics they have had for years.

I don't see any possible way you could limit any given set to 3 pics unless thats all you ever released on the free sites, and encoded any on the pay site so they could not be reposted. (you would also have to oversee what/who/how many pics get posted here and on every other forum)
("Porn Czar"?) or as you said, shut down every site that offends you.

Also, isn't it similar to TV/movie copyright? That is, I can tape anything I want on TV, radio, etc.for my own use, but I cannot re-sell it or rebroadcast it for profit. (that is , its OK for private use)
Isn't that similar to what we are doing? We are just posting pictures that we have for others enjoyment, and the site is free. Its also not exactly a major site. It took me years, and I just happened to stumble on this forum.
(so in the major scheme of things, is this site really taking away business from your sites, or is it all forums like this in their totallity?)
And are you posting this message on their forums as well?

(I do understand your "Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free" argument)...but
another phrase which comes to mind is "Your trying to close the barn door after the cow has escaped".

I would hate to see it happen, but it almost sounds like you would have to make it to where no pic can be downloaded unless you bought it. No freebies, only pages where you can see the pic, but could only download it/them if you became a member. (isn't that how some of the early sites worked?...or maybe didn't work..)

Perhaps you could try going after the main offenders who are posting complete sets or videos. Most of us here are respectful of the rules and appreciate what business people like yourself are trying to do. I support your sites, your intellectual rights, and your right to voice your concerns.
I hope you can appreciate what we are doing (and not doing) here as well.

[seanchai]

Hi Violet,
Some excellent questions there and I'll try to answer them in turn, so the information is easier to decimate, rather than from one long post.

Unrealistic, maybe but we (TS producers) have had a number of initiatives for the past year aimed at piracy and over saturation of our content that has worked, and better to be unrealistic and try to do something about it, rather than not at all, while our business erodes. I wouldn't need to be "snarkey" to other members of this forum, if they didn't feel the need to be rude and insulting to me, showing ignorance without the facts, so it's a bit give and take.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Are you saying that by law no one should be to allowed to repost any material from any of your sites?

Correct. By law, one persons copyright cannot be re-posted or reused. This is why you see many mainstream companies taking exception with companies like Youtube. Of course, the internet is still fairly new and technology is changing but look at the legal requirements to post something on Wikipedia and you'll get a rough idea of the true legal requirements.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

I have been a paying member of some of your sites, and I have never posted any full set (or even much content-there are so many other sites out there). Most of us just post our favorite pics from each set or girl.

Thank you. I wish everybody had that same level of respect and commitment but they just don't, which is why we've got to spend time and money monitoring usage of our content.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

But I am confused a little. I see dozens of promo free sets on all kinds of freebie sites(each with up to 10 or more pics) that change daily, and I assume that those are free for anyone to download. Are those free pages done without your permission? If not, do you expect people to just download the same 3 pics only from a free page of 10 or more pics? Thats absurd.

Free to download and use for your own purposes is fine. Free to upload them to any other server, use them for your own purposes is not. We're talking about two very different things. I assume your talking about what's called "FHG's" (Free Hosted Galleries) - see some examples below:

http://galleries.grooby.com/nats/092...6NQ,0,0,0,1611
http://galleries.grooby.com/nats/yum...6NQ,0,0,0,1583

These are content given by site owners to their affiliates to promote their website. The general consensus by most site is it's ok if you use this content to post, providing that it's not been resized and there is a link to the website or company it was taken from. This would be acceptable on the 15 image rule. However, what people have been doing is posting 15 images from the members areas and not the 12-15 images posted for promotion, they've also been posting multiple posts, of 15 images each.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Like our posts, the preview pages aren't the full sets, just teasers. If you want the really good pics, you need to join, (as many do). In a forum like this, eventually people can post enough pics from various sources, that maybe eventually there is almost a complete set, but this is pretty rare and happens with only the most popular girls.
I agree people should not post entire sets from the actual pay sites, but almost everyone here just posts freebies, or pics they have had for years.

Again, if it's the content the site has given for promotional purposes, then that's fine. If it's content stolen from other places (regardless of if you found it in a free place, that's not an affiliate of the company ... then it's stolen). The poster is responsible for what they post. ALL CONTENT remains the intellectual property of the individual company.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

I don't see any possible way you could limit any given set to 3 pics unless thats all you ever released on the free sites, and encoded any on the pay site so they could not be reposted. (you would also have to oversee what/who/how many pics get posted here and on every other forum)
("Porn Czar"?) or as you said, shut down every site that offends you.

We close down multiple sites on a weekly basis.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Also, isn't it similar to TV/movie copyright? That is, I can tape anything I want on TV, radio, etc.for my own use, but I cannot re-sell it or rebroadcast it for profit. (that is , its OK for private use)

Correct and a perfect analogy and my point exactly. What people are doing here is rebroadcasting it. Profit has nothing to do with it.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Isn't that similar to what we are doing? We are just posting pictures that we have for others enjoyment, and the site is free. Its also not exactly a major site. It took me years, and I just happened to stumble on this forum.
(so in the major scheme of things, is this site really taking away business from your sites, or is it all forums like this in their totallity?)

Many small sites showing multiple images add up to a lot of content that people can get for free. This is stolen from our sites and inhibits the production of new material. This is nothing new, these rules have been in place for 10 yrs.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

And are you posting this message on their forums as well?

Yes, or I have the moderator status to simply delete their posts. I wanted to request that the users of this forum, respect our rights without having to take it any further. It is a very few members who post massive amounts and I've contacted some personally in the past, which are usually ignored.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

(I do understand your "Why buy the cow, when you can get the milk for free" argument)...but
another phrase which comes to mind is "Your trying to close the barn door after the cow has escaped".

Pointless really trying to respond to that. We're a business, if someone has shoplifted before, it doesn't mean you don't stop the next one.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

I would hate to see it happen, but it almost sounds like you would have to make it to where no pic can be downloaded unless you bought it. No freebies, only pages where you can see the pic, but could only download it/them if you became a member. (isn't that how some of the early sites worked?...or maybe didn't work..)

I'd welcome that. The only content that would be released would be the previews we wanted to release. Why see the movie if you've seen 15 different trailers showing the whole movie for free?
I expect that will be the way the internet will go (and it's already happening) which is why you should support independent companies like the ones listed here.

Originally Posted by violet lightning

Perhaps you could try going after the main offenders who are posting complete sets or videos. Most of us here are respectful of the rules and appreciate what business people like yourself are trying to do. I support your sites, your intellectual rights, and your right to voice your concerns.
I hope you can appreciate what we are doing (and not doing) here as well.

Most people are respecting it, a few aren't. My message was to everyone, with an explanation why it has to be like this. As I previously stated, I'm first and foremost a fan and if I wasn't in the business, I'd be an active member here, I just don't have the time.
We produce more content than any other one company and work with 100's of models a year, worldwide. I don't want to reduce the productions, that would hurt us all.

Thanks again for a good dialogue and I hope this has answered some of your questions.