Posting Of Pay Site Images - All Read.

[Jenae LaTorque]

I think that Sesame is right. It is time to let this go. He has already demonstrated to me that he is here primarily as a money grubber looking after his own self interest. He has also demonstrated that he isn't very bright and I will be surprised if he survives the increasingly competitive nature of his niche of pornography. He has demonstrated that he has no respect for the forum members, only for them as a possible source of income. His position as a moderator has been only in his own self interest - the numbers show this - his post count of less than 60, is less than 3% of ila's post count. All in all, I believe his statements here have been some very dismal public relations. While I do not subscribe to online pic sites, I do purchase quite a few videos. From now on, I will be on the lookout for Grooby productions and will absolutely never ever purchase one.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

I think that Sesame is right. It is time to let this go. He has already demonstrated to me that he is here primarily as a money grubber looking after his own self interest. He has also demonstrated that he isn't very bright and I will be surprised if he survives the increasingly competitive nature of his niche of pornography. He has demonstrated that he has no respect for the forum members, only for them as a possible source of income. His position as a moderator has been only in his own self interest - the numbers show this - his post count of less than 60, is less than 3% of ila's post count. All in all, I believe his statements here have been some very dismal public relations. While I do not subscribe to online pic sites, I do purchase quite a few videos. From now on, I will be on the lookout for Grooby productions and will absolutely never ever purchase one.

Sour grapes or your lack of intelligence to grasp the situation or legalities?
I really don't have to defend my intelligence or my business to you, so I won't bother.
One thing I will say though, is that I'm one of the few adult sites that does engage fans, members, models, producers, etc. and aims to produce quality porn with the models. Our reputation is un-surpassed and what we have done as a company to promote respect to transgenders working in the adult industry, is more than any other person or group.
Go and google a few interviews with me, if you want to understand a little more about me:
"Steven Gallon / seanchai / grooby "

I hope to bring some real things of interest to this forum soon, rather than just picture posting.

The DVD market is almost dead, so if you want to continue for good transgender porn to be produced, then it's going to be via the internet. Only Grooby is producing TS porn with proper themes and stories.
Download and watch LOADS OF FREE TRAILERS - direct from our server at:

http://grooby.com/groobycom_dvd.html

Thanks for your opinion anyway Janae. Since you made the first attacking post on here and displayed your lack of understanding, it was fairly obvious you'd never see our point of view, no matter what.

[ps this image was found on a free site. That doesn't mean I have the right to repost it. The copyright owner can mail me directly and I will remove it immediately.]

[Bionca]

Perhaps it's because interacting with the public via message boards and blogs is my job or maybe I'm just strange. Either way, I feel that Mr Gallon has made a good faith effort to make his position clear while at the same time, actually interacting with the member of this forum in an effort to reach an understanding.

What would Vivid do? Send a letter to SSL and demand that their property be removed with a very real threat of legal action (and precedent would be on their side regardless of the specifics of their product). Copyright law favors the producer/artist.

While I understand why people are feeling defensive and perhaps attacked(?) by this series of posts, I really don't think this site is being singled out or individual members are being accused of being thieves.

Mr Gallon, as far as doing things "to promote respect for transgenders" - umm.. well that may be true - but is more than either nothing or actively harming really a good talking point?

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Mr Gallon, as far as doing things "to promote respect for transgenders" - umm.. well that may be true - but is more than either nothing or actively harming really a good talking point?

Well this post isn't really about that, so I don't want to really derail it to something it's not. If you find any of my interviews or postings on other boards ... or the way we work with models, promote them, etc. you can find out more there.
Point taken in the way I worded it though.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by seanchai

Well this post isn't really about that, so I don't want to really derail it to something it's not. If you find any of my interviews or postings on other boards ... or the way we work with models, promote them, etc. you can find out more there.
Point taken in the way I worded it though.

You are right, discussing that would be a massive derail. I took your advice awile ago actually and read some interviews with you. That's one of the reasons I'm supporting your stance here today. However, since you brought it up - I have posted a little bit from one of your interviews on my blog.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

I think that Sesame is right. It is time to let this go. He has already demonstrated to me that he is here primarily as a money grubber looking after his own self interest. He has also demonstrated that he isn't very bright and I will be surprised if he survives the increasingly competitive nature of his niche of pornography. He has demonstrated that he has no respect for the forum members, only for them as a possible source of income. His position as a moderator has been only in his own self interest - the numbers show this - his post count of less than 60, is less than 3% of ila's post count. All in all, I believe his statements here have been some very dismal public relations. While I do not subscribe to online pic sites, I do purchase quite a few videos. From now on, I will be on the lookout for Grooby productions and will absolutely never ever purchase one.

I cannot believe the sheer lack of facts behind these statements.

If you knew anything at all about the person you're speaking about, you'd know that:

A: Grooby Productions (with him at the helm) is probably THE company when it comes to caring for and furthering the careers of their models... even when they decide to strike out on their own. Although the company is obviously a business, I have personally seen the company make decisions not based on increasing the bottom line but making a decision based on maintaining integrity and honesty in an industry which, quite frankly, is often lacking.

B: While yes, more TS sites come on the market, Grooby Productions has remained on the forefront of producing content in this niche and still has some of the best sites around. Your implication that you know something about the business model or health of the industry as a whole just shows your complete narcissistic tendencies and proclivity to hear yourself speak.

C: Demeaning someone's intelligence and resorting to purposefully calling them names are oftentimes the act of desperation or lack of civility... both which you have shown here. Seriously... does Jenae's post remind anyone of a disgruntled 3rd grader?

D: Ummm... yeah... why should he not see forums like this as a potential source of income with potential customers? I would actually say it would be negligent not to. He does run a BUSINESS after all. So, why is it a bad thing to see Members here as potential customers? You state an IQ of over 150 yet fail to grasp this basic business principle?

E: Position as a Moderator? Completely irrelevant. Nice that you took the time to calculate out the statistics (again... tooting your own intellectual horn), but WTF? I smell sour grapes that he is and you're not.

F: I'm quite sure that the company is not losing any vast amounts of money by you not purchasing their DVD's (which by the way... we call them DVD's in this day and age) since you've "...never contributed a single penny to a paysite directly." I find it difficult to believe, given this mindset that you are the owner of a staggering library of legitimately paid for DVD's.

Anyway... this is a little more sarcastic and a bit on the rude side so for those of you readers not involved, I apologize. Typically, I don't get into personally addressing someone negatively but Jenae's statements are just plain uncalled for, illogical, and completely disrespectful for someone who is VERY WELL respected in the TS Industry. Pretty easy to do a little searching and come to the conclusion that Seanchai's a stand-up guy running one of the most honest, respected, and best business in TS porn.

[Be_my_nude]

I have to say I am, like Jenae, somewhat puzzled as to what the qualifications are for a member to become a Moderator. It would seem no co-incidence that Seanchai got himself appointed Moderator for Freebies. As such I can hardly think he can claim to be impartial ( an absolute pre-requisite, I would have thought ), without vested interests.

One aspect which seems to me curious. It seems that Seanchai is against members of this Forum liberally posting pictures which have already been downladed by paid-up members of any of his listed sites. Surely it is up to him to identify and contact those paid-up members who have made available the sets for free. Clearly their paid for membership makes them feel entitled to do what they want with the pictures. Make no mistake about it, these pictures were not 'stolen ' form the sites in the first place, so how can members of this Forum be accused by Seanchai of handling ' stolen goods '?

I'm also pretty unhappy about the possibility that a Moderator may have abused his powers or position. Perhaps Seanchai might care to comment ?

this does not present a pretty picture at all.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

I have to say I am, like Jenae, somewhat puzzled as to what the qualifications are for a member to become a Moderator. It would seem no co-incidence that Seanchai got himself appointed Moderator for Freebies. As such I can hardly think he can claim to be impartial ( an absolute pre-requisite, I would have thought ), without vested interests.

One aspect which seems to me curious. It seems that Seanchai is against members of this Forum liberally posting pictures which have already been downladed by paid-up members of any of his listed sites. Surely it is up to him to identify and contact those paid-up members who have made available the sets for free. Clearly their paid for membership makes them feel entitled to do what they want with the pictures. Make no mistake about it, these pictures were not 'stolen ' form the sites in the first place, so how can members of this Forum be accused by Seanchai of handling ' stolen goods '?

I'm also pretty unhappy about the possibility that a Moderator may have abused his powers or position. Perhaps Seanchai might care to comment ?

this does not present a pretty picture at all.

Wow... I find it entirely puzzling that people are so mistaken about the law... I thought that CSI and the ilk was the most watched show in the country for a reason. Let's clarify...

If I, as your friend or even casual acquaintance steal a car and give it to you saying, 'I own this car and I'm giving it to you.' You have a decision to make. Either you accept the car, no questions asked or you start to delve a little deeper because this would be just too good of a thing to get for free.

Now, if you choose choice A and then resell the vehicle, and get caught selling it... guess what... you're trafficking in stolen goods. Doesn't matter if you knew the car was stolen or not. Now, depending on circumstances and the strength of your defense... you may get off easy claiming ignorance. But, should you get a jury who doesn't believe you... tough cookies. Due diligence.

I'm not saying that every single picture on here has to be accounted for BUT.. C'MON people... let's be honest here! Most, of the content here is posted WITHOUT the express permission of the companies in question. This, cut and dry, is copyright infringement by the PERSON who posts it, REGARDLESS of the source.

I still find it incredibly irrelevant about who is Moderator and abuse of power or whatever this nonsense is. Unless you're the owner of this forum, why in the world do you have any say or interest AT ALL in who is a Moderator and who is not? Where in the Forum Bible does it say that Moderators have to be impartial? Folks... let's not mistake MODERATION with CENSORSHIP... these are two completely different words with entirely different meanings. A responsible Moderator should first and foremost have the good of the Forum in mind. I think everyone would agree that letting word get out that this Forum has Members posting large amounts of content from various sites without their permission would probably be more of a bad thing than a helpful thing. Best solved by making a polite request (done) and culling out overly populated threads (done). That's good moderation. Now, if Seanchai suddenly goes and starts deleting people's opinions and posts and such... that's CENSORSHIP and i would agree... an abuse of his Moderator privilege. But, that's not the case here. I think people are just sorry to see some of their free porn go bye bye. Tough beans. If you really want to see more than three pictures... stop eating at Burger King every day and Starbucks every morning and save up 30 or 40 bucks to join the site for a month. Download all the content you want for yourself to enjoy... just don't post it for someone else to get without paying for it.

I, as the copyright holder of my pictures have the right to take them down (or make the request) whenever and wherever I see them posted without my permission. I suspect that Seanchai was made Moderator more out of convenience by the owner(s) of this Forum who probably doesn't have the time or energy to view every single thread to make sure the content there is legitimate or not. Actually, I think this is entirely MORE preferable than finding tons of ripped content on the forum and taking legal action, no?

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

Surely it is up to him to identify and contact those paid-up members who have made available the sets for free.

C'mon... really? Do I really need to explain why this is simply an unreasonable and impossible expectation? Are you really the bronzed beauty that is your avatar?

We site owners take it on good faith that you're going to use our sites in accordance to the TERMS and CONDITIONS just as people who join sites take it on good faith that they're going to get their monies worth. Most people do follow the rules.

[Bionca]

Folks -

I'm just not seeing the need for ruffled feathers here. Seanchai WANTS people to repost his stuff (within reason), to talk about his (and others) models, to discuss the quality content and nature of the business. "Within reason" being the operative words.

He understands that this is an insular, but growing, market. He knows that a few pics here and there is good for business. But he also knows that most people won't pay for something if they don't have to. It has to be a balancing act - come down to hard and you alienate your fans, allow unrestricted posting of content and you are ultimately running some sort of porn charity. If you read the first post, what is being asked is quite understandable and reasonable.

[Be_my_nude]

Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

C'mon... really? Do I really need to explain why this is simply an unreasonable and impossible expectation? Are you really the bronzed beauty that is your avatar?

We site owners take it on good faith that you're going to use our sites in accordance to the TERMS and CONDITIONS just as people who join sites take it on good faith that they're going to get their monies worth. Most people do follow the rules.

Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters. I think all I'm saying is that the responsibility for monitoring and preventing such abuse is two-sided, and that an appeal for principled rehandling of material is a bit like farting upwind.

Oh, my Avatar ? Well I couldn't find one of myself good-looking enough not to attract guffaws, so when I saw a one that was the near mirro-image of my daughter, I thought I'd use that ! A male friend of mine commented that I had a bit of a brass cheek to join a Transexual Forum, so I got someone to add the bronze ! Glad you like it. I think my daughter's lovely.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters.

The two are NOT equitable for the simple reason that one is proactive and the other is very active. We, as site owners, proactively state and ask people that when they join our sites, download all the content you want during the length of your subscription for PERSONAL use but DO NOT repost, exhibit, or transmit it anywhere else. It is a statement / request that is agreed to upon joining the site, regardless if you read the full terms and conditions or not (mortgage foreclosure anyone?).

The other is an ACTIVE premeditated CHOICE to post pictures that you know you don't have full permission to post in a public setting.

You cannot logically compare the two.

Our expectations as site owners are extremely reasonable. Exhibit some self control and don't post what doesn't belong to you, intellectually or artistically. Or, repost it within reason once you do have permission (i.e. - an affiliate). If you can't do that... then don't join the site.

[seanchai]

Ok, for all of those crying how people here don't cause a problem:
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showth...153#post111153

This poster, posted 30 images from a set we put up on our new site ShemalePornstar.com on Friday. We haven't promoted in anywhere other than the 5 images on the preview page, there are not images of the set been given out yet this poster, took 15 fantastic images and posted them, followed by another post of 15 images including some of the best shots.

If you don't think that's got the potential to hurt our business, then your wrong.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters. I think all I'm saying is that the responsibility for monitoring and preventing such abuse is two-sided, and that an appeal for principled rehandling of material is a bit like farting upwind.

If you are happy to see a business you love and content you feel very strongly for, be decimated and spread around for free, to see the potential of your livlihood and the many employees worldwide go down the drain and to have the threat of not producing the content that the models and producers want to do, because some ill-mannered, inconsidate, internet heroes wish to repost it - then bully for you. I'm not. If it upsets a few people, it's nothing new. It's certainly not farting upwind, which is why we're one of the few companies surviving when many have failed.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

I have to say I am, like Jenae, somewhat puzzled as to what the qualifications are for a member to become a Moderator. It would seem no co-incidence that Seanchai got himself appointed Moderator for Freebies. As such I can hardly think he can claim to be impartial ( an absolute pre-requisite, I would have thought ), without vested interests.

I've had mod. status here almost all of this year. You'd have to ask the owner why.
I will say, I've no interest in moderaring anything other than stolen content or links to stolen content.

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

One aspect which seems to me curious. It seems that Seanchai is against members of this Forum liberally posting pictures which have already been downladed by paid-up members of any of his listed sites. Surely it is up to him to identify and contact those paid-up members who have made available the sets for free. Clearly their paid for membership makes them feel entitled to do what they want with the pictures. Make no mistake about it, these pictures were not 'stolen ' form the sites in the first place, so how can members of this Forum be accused by Seanchai of handling ' stolen goods '?

Surely even a Yorkshireman can't be that clueless? This doesn't even deserve an answer. UPLOADED content is the responbility of the uploader and the site. Our sites have clear rules and Terms of Service.

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude

I'm also pretty unhappy about the possibility that a Moderator may have abused his powers or position. Perhaps Seanchai might care to comment ?

Not really.