Posting Of Pay Site Images - All Read.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

One thing that HAS to be said is that everything that is posted on the internet becomes de facto public domain, so copyrights are a bit of a non issue, if you don't wany your pics to be shared, don't post them on the internet in the first place, free or not, because they will always be someone that will resent having to pay for something and not be "allowed" to do what they want with it, which is the real issue here.

The same is true for software, what is it we realy pay for? The disks, the manuals, the box? No we pay for the software, and since software is data, and easily copyable, why should i have to pay for 3 identicle copies of a piece of software for my 3 computers? I shouldn't, i paid for the software and i should have the "right" to do with it as i please, within reason of course, but again if you don't want others to have your software, don't publish it or accept the FACT that there will be some copy, even if you put all kinds of copy protections, someone ALWAYS finds a way to overide them.


JohnDowe.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

I live in Canada and the gov had pretty heft tax on cigarettes and after a new increase of the cigarette tax the people revolted and a big black market cigarette "market" opened up to the point that the gov lost more revenue due to the black market and removed the new tax, but the dammage was done and the cigarette black market (from native tribes) is still booming not as well as when it was at it's strongest but it is better than it was before the gov put the new (but removed) cogarette tax, so actions often have unforseen concequences.

Remember the OLD lawer addage; don't ask a question you don't already know the ansewer to? The reason is simple in a courtroom, if you ask a question you don't know the ansewer to, you may very well blow your own case out of the water.

The same principle applied to the Germans in WW2 they attacked England to erode their morale, but to the German's dismay, it gave the Allies a new war cry "For England" and the end came several months sooner than expected.

So in trying to protect yourselves and make more money off of the pics and vids on the internet through legislation you may create a backlash that will end up biting you in the ass.

JohnDowe.

[Excaliborg]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

I live in Canada and the gov had pretty heft tax on cigarettes and after a new increase of the cigarette tax the people revolted and a big black market cigarette "market" opened up to the point that the gov lost more revenue due to the black market and removed the new tax, but the dammage was done and the cigarette black market (from native tribes) is still booming not as well as when it was at it's strongest but it is better than it was before the gov put the new (but removed) cogarette tax, so actions often have unforseen concequences.

Remember the OLD lawer addage; don't ask a question you don't already know the ansewer to? The reason is simple in a courtroom, if you ask a question you don't know the ansewer to, you may very well blow your own case out of the water.

The same principle applied to the Germans in WW2 they attacked England to erode their morale, but to the German's dismay, it gave the Allies a new war cry "For England" and the end came several months sooner than expected.

So in trying to protect yourselves and make more money off of the pics and vids on the internet through legislation you may create a backlash that will end up biting you in the ass.

JohnDowe.

also knwn as the streisand effect.

now we can bandy words as to who is write and who is wrong. the fact remains that if you dont want more than say five of any given set floatnig about the internet, its your responsibility to ensure that.

reading through the posts again, your request is a fair one. but wouldnt it have been more efficient to first open a dialogue with SSL and the moderators? they could then enforce you request as a rule for content from those sites listed.this way just looks like you are out to get us.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by Excaliborg

reading through the posts again, your request is a fair one. but wouldnt it have been more efficient to first open a dialogue with SSL and the moderators? they could then enforce you request as a rule for content from those sites listed.this way just looks like you are out to get us.

Been in dialogue with the owner for many months.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

One thing that HAS to be said is that everything that is posted on the internet becomes de facto public domain, so copyrights are a bit of a non issue, if you don't wany your pics to be shared, don't post them on the internet in the first place, free or not, because they will always be someone that will resent having to pay for something and not be "allowed" to do what they want with it, which is the real issue here.

The same is true for software, what is it we realy pay for? The disks, the manuals, the box? No we pay for the software, and since software is data, and easily copyable, why should i have to pay for 3 identicle copies of a piece of software for my 3 computers? I shouldn't, i paid for the software and i should have the "right" to do with it as i please, within reason of course, but again if you don't want others to have your software, don't publish it or accept the FACT that there will be some copy, even if you put all kinds of copy protections, someone ALWAYS finds a way to overide them.


JohnDowe.

Absolute rubbish. Go read the law before you bother posting.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by seanchai

Absolute rubbish. Go read the law before you bother posting.

Hi there.

I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, AND HOW THINGS ARE.

GRAB A BRAIN, WILL YA!


JohnDowe.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by johndowe

HAS to be said is that everything that is posted on the internet becomes de facto public domain, so copyrights are a bit of a non issue

So basically, you just made that up? It has no legal grounds or precedent?

I heard your brain was missing so maybe I'll grab that for a laugh or too.
Arse.

[johndowe]

Originally Posted by seanchai

So basically, you just made that up? It has no legal grounds or precedent?

I heard your brain was missing so maybe I'll grab that for a laugh or too.
Arse.

Hi there.

I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up, it is a fact, when you place a file on the internet, that ostrich you posted for example, the person who took it posted it on the internet, then you found it, and you reposted it here, the guy who posted it no longer had ANY control over it is now public domain, if he wanted to delete every copy of it could he? No, because it is no longer his to control, the one in your cpu is now yours, not his anymore, wheather he put it up for pay or free, remember; ownership is 90% of the law.

That is the REALITY of the internet, and no law will change that, not even software, it may make it a bit more complicated but it will not change.


JohnDowe.

[seanchai]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up, it is a fact, when you place a file on the internet, that ostrich you posted for example, the person who took it posted it on the internet, then you found it, and you reposted it here, the guy who posted it no longer had ANY control over it is now public domain, if he wanted to delete every copy of it could he? No, because it is no longer his to control, the one in your cpu is now yours, not his anymore, wheather he put it up for pay or free, remember; ownership is 90% of the law.

That is the REALITY of the internet, and no law will change that, not even software, it may make it a bit more complicated but it will not change.


JohnDowe.

I understand big words, "de facto" is two small words - and yes this, theory of yours holds no weight.
What a crock of shit, I even stated the ostrich was copyrighted to the original.
Your just an idiot - THAT is the reality.
Unbelievable.

Simple fact is, John. You can't post the content. Take it or leave it.

[SandraB]

Originally Posted by seanchai

I understand big words, "de facto" is two small words - and yes this, theory of yours holds no weight.
What a crock of shit, I even stated the ostrich was copyrighted to the original.
Your just an idiot - THAT is the reality.
Unbelievable.

Simple fact is, John. You can't post the content. Take it or leave it.

Hi all.

I see the old saying "There is none blinder than the one who doesn't want to see" is true.

And "his" theory is not a theory is is a FACT, you may ask to have the content removed, or even threaten to sue, but in the end it is still up to the owners and operators of the site to decide to keep or remove the posted content.

And if i had to choose the idiot between you Seanchai and JohnDowe i would pick you Seanchai.


Sandra.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up...

Was busy over the weekend but nice to come back and see the silliness continues here...

Actually, you did make your definition of 'De Facto' up. It does NOT mean 'in effect' or 'by default' as you postulate. And, before you go shooting your mouth off, I have studied both Latin and law so, yes, I can speak on this matter.

De Facto is a legal term (thus, separating it from the context is, in itself, an improper usage of the term) meaning something that has no legal establishment but is generally accepted as true. The very fact that Copyright laws exist render your argument completely illogical from the start.

To state that any material posted on the Internet becomes De Facto Public Domain and have that statement be true, no other laws concerning the subject would have to exist and it would have to be generally accepted as true that Copyright Laws don't apply to the Internet. Both of these statements are FALSE.

Imagine standing before a judge and saying that you robbing banks is de facto OK because it has been done before. Or, try opening your own brand of Burger King and using their trademark / copyright and telling the judge, 'Well, it's on the Internet so it must be de facto public domain...' Let me know how that works out for you. He would laugh in your face and send you back to law 101. Before you start hurling insults at people and misusing terms you don't fully understand... How's about educating yourself a little more about what you're thinking of speaking about?

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

One thing that HAS to be said is that everything that is posted on the internet becomes de facto public domain, so copyrights are a bit of a non issue, if you don't wany your pics to be shared, don't post them on the internet in the first place, free or not, because they will always be someone that will resent having to pay for something and not be "allowed" to do what they want with it, which is the real issue here.

One thing that HAS to be said in reply to this post is that you do not know what you're talking about. Although this may be your little fantasy world of what YOU consider to be true, a simple precursory look into copyright law proves you wrong.

Seriously... do a little research before you make comments about something you obviously don't know anything about.

[GroobyKrissy]

This reminds me of this old thread that I started...

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=6026 Take a look at the last post on that thread. Clearly, this kind of post is damaging to the industry and has no place on a 'legitimate' forum such as this [is]. This post should be removed and the person warned against making further posts of this nature and banned if he/she persists.

Hey, I get it... you guys want free porn. It's human nature to want things for free. That doesn't make it right OR legal. The fact of the matter is that in posting mass amounts of ripped content, you don't often realize how you're hurting the models and the sites that provide you the content to 'get your rocks off.'

As an independent producer and a VERY careful keeper of all kinds of statistics and records for my site, I KNOW for a fact, when I see a sharp decline in sales, invariably, I can trace it back to either a forum with rips from my site or pw sharing.

I think Seanchai has done a pretty good job here of defending his stance and hardly needs me to weigh in on the subject but, what really irritates me about some of the responses is the 'justifications' for posting ripped content. Instead of making up illogical (and sometimes just plain stupid) reasons to justify your actions, you should just say, 'I'm selfish and don't want to pay for porn.' OR, 'I want to look important and that's why I post ripped content.' This last one is personally the reason I feel most people post excessive ripped content. They like the replies of gratitude and it helps them think that what they're doing is OK. Just my two cents.

Because, really, why else would you care if you're asked to limit your postings to 3 pictures from one set?

[ila]

Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

This reminds me of this old thread that I started...

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=6026 Take a look at the last post on that thread. Clearly, this kind of post is damaging to the industry and has no place on a 'legitimate' forum such as this [is]. This post should be removed and the person warned against making further posts of this nature and banned if he/she persists.

Below is the message that you are referring to.

Originally Posted by Mold

For what purchasing pay sites??? On the NET you can find many shemale tube site, many of them have very nace content. PM me if you interesting.....

Tell me how this this message is damaging to the porn industry. The member stated that there are many tube sites on the internet. He is quite correct in that statement. Poor grammar and spelling aside he asked members to PM him for, I assume, the names of tube sites. There is nothing illegal about that. You might also note that this member has not been back on the site for more two months.

If you feel so strongly that Mold's post should be removed then I suggest that you use the Report Post button in the message box. The instructions that follow will tell you what to do.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by ila

Below is the message that you are referring to.



Tell me how this this message is damaging to the porn industry.
If you feel so strongly that Mold's post should be removed then I suggest that you use the Report Post bar beside the message. The instructions that follow will tell you what to do.

Obviously, I didn't care that much since I didn't even know the post was there until I revisited the thread tonight. BUT... Here's your answer... (read my above post first please)

In effect, what this Member is doing would be akin to a person sitting on the front doorstep of a auto dealer and telling people as they walk in, 'Psst... why pay for a car when I know of a place where you can get all the cars you want for free... oh, by the way... there's probably one or two stolen cars mixed in there but who cares.'

I think any reasonable person would call this 'damaging.' Hey, if you want to do the homework to find all the little sites on the web that cater to the free porn people, then by all means, go ahead and do so. By leaving a post like this up in a public place, the Forum is basically 'looking the other way' at letting people post links to places to download stolen content. Stolen content IS bad for the industry. Period. I don't think (at least I hope) I need to go into the book of reasons why that's true...

[ila]

Originally Posted by GroobyKrissy

....Hey, if you want to do the homework to find all the little sites on the web that cater to the free porn people, then by all means, go ahead and do so. By leaving a post like this up in a public place, the Forum is basically 'looking the other way' at letting people post links to places to download stolen content. Stolen content IS bad for the industry. Period. I don't think (at least I hope) I need to go into the book of reasons why that's true...

First of all I have no desire to go out looking for tube sites or free sites. It is a very rare occasion if I even look at a free porn site (except for tlb).

Secondly not all tube sites have stolen content. Some do, but even then not all content is stolen.

Thirdly this site does not tolerate stolen content nor are links to tube sites allowed. It states this in the rules.

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by ila

First of all I have no desire to go out looking for tube sites or free sites. It is a very rare occasion if I even look at a free porn site (except for tlb).

Secondly not all tube sites have stolen content. Some do, but even then not all content is stolen.

Thirdly this site does not tolerate stolen content nor are links to tube sites allowed. It states this in the rules.

BUT... it's ok for someone to say, 'Hey, private me for the links for free content?' I'm pretty sure this is what is meant when one refers to a 'double standard.'

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that probably 99.9% of all tube and torrent sites have stolen content on them. They simply couldn't exist as a business model without it.

Even if SOME of the content is stolen (hey, I just robbed a bank but I left some of the money there so everything's ok) for a particular site, should this Forum be in the business of encouraging people to go there or making it easier for persons to find the site? I think not... that is, if you truly believe in the rules you've set up.