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[sesame]

Why do men consider the escorts business unethical and "sinful" and yet drool to enjoy their services?

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by sesame

Why do men consider the escorts business unethical and "sinful" and yet drool to enjoy their services?

In one word Hypocricy

Now of course you meant only some men. As to why some men (and women)are hypocrites? Wow! Tall order there. Line up 100 hypocrites and you may find 100 differant reasons. One thing I have noticed. is that there seem to be a greater percentage of hypocrites found among "religious" people. In this case, I believe you would find that religious "guilt" would be responsible for quite a few of these two faced fellows.

We all rationalize the things we do, some more than others. And, sexual matters are one of the prime areas for this failing. We all have certain beliefs about what is right and wrong. And there is a great variance in where we draw the line that separates what is acceptable from what is not.

If we are honest, then what we profess as our position is the same as where we actually stand, and the same as where our behavior indicates we stand. What is really sad is that some people lie not so much to others as they lie to themselves. I am sure you know people like this. I myself would classify these as mental abberations, and possibly mental illness - depending on the severity of the case.

This brings up the question: What can be done about it? The only answer I can come up with is that hopefully they will change. It's not likely. Most people only change their thinking patterns when they get hit right in the face with something new and they are in a vulnerable position. That is why your religious converters have more success with the down and out, the hurting, the lost, the guilty-feeling, etc. Are you in a position to effect a change? Do you care enough about these people to expend the effort? Is there a danger to yourself in a confrontation? These are some of the questions only you can answer and must weigh carefully before acting.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

You will ansewer all?

How about these two riddles?

They're kinda easy, here goes.

1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?

2- The riddle of the sphinks (excuse my french), what animal walks on 4 legs in the morning, 2 legd in the afternoon, and 3 legs in the night?

Please specify if you already knew the ansewers.

Good Luck.

Johndowe.

[sesame]

Why do you think was Joan condemned by the Church of blasphemy and executed in a ghastly manner? On May the 30th 1431, she was tied to a pole and burnt alive in the middle of a marketplace!!

500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!

[Mel Asher]

Originally Posted by sesame

Why do you think was Joan condemned by the Church of blasphemy and executed in a ghastly manner? On May the 30th 1431, she was tied to a pole and burnt alive in the middle of a marketplace!!

500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!

1 ) Rationale simply put ? Well in those times, Secular Politics wielded Power through the Sword ofetn reinforcing its Social control by claiming religious precedents. With ever increasing power, Religious orders were able to tailor their coats to suit their own purposes and reverse previously spin-based decisions.

Power corrupts but to achieving absolute power one must surrender to corruption ( with Apologies for corrupting poor old Lord Acton's quote )

2 ) The only God the Christian Church of the time truly worshipped was Power.
As is so sadly all too often the case, genuine carriers of ' Christ's ' message of Love and Forgiveness were few and far between, and usually silenced by Fear of the consequences of speaking out too boldly.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

The ansewer to the first riddle is: You will burn me.

if they go for the burn option the statement is therefore true they'd have to drown him, if they go for the drowning, the statement becomes false so, by their rules they can't execute him, et least not by burning or drowning.

JohnDowe.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by sesame

Why do you think was Joan condemned by the Church of blasphemy and executed in a ghastly manner? On May the 30th 1431, she was tied to a pole and burnt alive in the middle of a marketplace!!

500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!

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I see Mel already beat me to the punch here, but I will tell you how I see it.

Question 1 Answer : First I would say that saint and witch are only labels. As labels they are only a tag which we use to denote something. Jeane d'Arc was neither a saint or a witch, her essence was/is separate from any label. Labels change and evolve over time. Ex. At one time the earth was flat and the center of the universe. If you didn't believe it, then off to the rack with you. Now we know the earth isn't flat, and we know that it certainly isn't anywhere near the center of the universe if there is such a position in a seemingly infinite cosmos. Yes, it is nice to know that the CC can change it's position on matters when it becomes politically expediant to do so. These guys are not stupid you know - witness the change in their stated position on evolution. This kinda leads into the next answer.

Question 2 Answer: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" - Mat 7-20

The church could disobey their god because:

1. They really didn't believe there is a god and thus did not believe they would be accountable for their actions. And/Or...........
2. They were able to rationalize their actions by dismissing the core teachings of Jesus and pouncing on older teachings in the Old Testement which advocates attacking your enemies. Instead of turning the other cheek as Jesus advocated they were much more willing to smite them hip and thigh.
It's almost as if their bible was the Satanic Bible which urges:

"Hate your enemies with a whole heart," The Satanic Bible advises. "And if a man smite you on one cheek, smash him on the other! Smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!"

3. In those days, the heads of the church were oftimes the most despicable sons a bitches that walked the earth. They were power-mongers whose main aim was the preservation of their control at any and all cost. They ruled through ignorance and the threat of excommunication and all that entails. They had the authority and the power to do pretty damn near anything they wanted. To put it simply, they were the survivors. They stamped out any dissenting views as heretical; as you may or may not know, the Crusades weren't just against Muslims, they also were against other branches of Christianity. Look up the crusades against the Cathars and the Albigensians if you are not familir with this topic.
I know my church history, even more so than the Founding Fathers of the United States did. They didn't put in the clauses separating Church and State on a whim. Considering it's bloody, bloody past, the Catholic Church has come back closer today to what Jesus taught. But, they still have a hell of a long way to go. When they take most of the resources they have and devote them to really helping the children of Jesus; they will then approach the ideals he spoke of. Meanwhile the Cardinals travel around in limos and fly in private jets...........they are still rationalizing their behavior.

Perhaps by now you have thought to youself, "this guy is ranting." Yes, if that is how you see it. I too like Jesus know that "most do not have ears to hear, nor eyes to see" to paraphrase him. Most people are so locked into their regular habits of thought that they cannot see the Truth right in front of them. My hope is not that you will believe my convictions; rather my hope is that you will find out for yourselves. That you will search out the truth of the matter for yourselves. That you will gather evidence and arguments from differant sources and both sides of the question. That you will weigh the data in a rational manner and decide for yourself.

Ah, I need a break. Catch ya all later, alligators.

[sesame]

I am aware of the 4th crusade, when the Crusaders, the saviors of Christianity, ransacked and looted Churches in and around Constantinople; they murdered infants and raped most of the nuns too. I can see the kind of Holy Battle they were up to.

[Jenae LaTorque]

Originally Posted by johndowe

Hi there.

You will ansewer all?

How about these two riddles?

They're kinda easy, here goes.

1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?

2- The riddle of the sphinks (excuse my french), what animal walks on 4 legs in the morning, 2 legd in the afternoon, and 3 legs in the night?

Please specify if you already knew the ansewers.

Good Luck.

Johndowe.

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Easy ones and yes I heard the second one years ago, the answer of which is man.

As to the first one there is a multitude of statements you could make that are not provable one way or the other. You could say there are 16 planets circling the star Orion. Since they will not be able to prove your statement either way, they must defer sentance untill they can. Of course by that time your life will be long over so what do you care. There are a zillion statements that would work in this manner. Of course I suspect here that the answer you are looking for is a conundrum of some sort or another. A classic conundrum is the following:

"The second part of this statement is false, while the first part is true."

There are many like this around and there are many you may encounter in life. That is why there if the often used quote:

"damned if I do, damned if I don't"

I am curious to see if your answer eliminates the possibilities of both punishments or simply hanging hiss ass.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by johndowe

1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?

Originally Posted by johndowe

The ansewer to the first riddle is: You will burn me.

They can kill him in the water for the true statement and burn him after to fulfil the statement.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

I think you're missing the point.

The statement canot be true & false at the same time!

Enough about that anyway.

JohnDowe.

[Rachel]

I always tell the truth even when I'm lieing

[Tread]

Originally Posted by johndowe

I think you're missing the point.

The statement canot be true & false at the same time!

The statement is not false, they will burn him, after drownig him.
Nothing says that only one thing will happen, or that he will die while burning.

[johndowe]

Hi there.

It's a riddle, not a heavy phylodophycal discussion, it is supposed to be a clever ansewer to a unfair choice.

You have the riddle and you have the ansewer, what else do you want? (Rethorical, do not ansewer).

JohnDowe.