Do You Guys Really Care???

[Jenae LaTorque]

[And, I do think you would mind someone taking your creative endeavors and making money off of it without crediting or compensating you, as much as you say you wouldn't. Obviously, I'm not going to do that, so there's no way to prove my case, but I think if you saw a website pop up with all your works displayed on it and no credit to you at all, I think you'd be emailing the owner. The very fact that you include the thread in your signature and post about it, is enough to show at the very least, you'd like some recognition for your work.[/quote]


Maybe I'm just too damn old and jaded because; I honestly wouldn't give a rat's ass about any of that. As I expained in one of my early posts, I composed the pages for my own enjoyment, and it is no skin off my butt to share them. I realize that you feel you are losing financially which of course gives you a differant perspective, but that doesn't give you the right to insinuate that I'm a liar. I said that someone using those pics would not bother me a lot. I did not say that I would be not be upset in a case involving theft of my intellectual property.

I also have no problem seeing that you feel there is a big differance between the two cases in the allegory while I see it as a little differance. The way we feel about each and every thing is colored by the associations our mind makes with that particular thing. The man who nearly drowned in a lake has a differant associations in his mind with it than the man who met his wife and true love while boating on it. So, big differance for you, little differance for me, just a matter of perspective then.

One question you haven't addressed is that concerning the possibility of the pirated video leading someone to your site and your subsequant enrichment. So...?

[GroobyKrissy]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

I also have no problem seeing that you feel there is a big differance between the two cases in the allegory while I see it as a little differance. The way we feel about each and every thing is colored by the associations our mind makes with that particular thing. The man who nearly drowned in a lake has a differant associations in his mind with it than the man who met his wife and true love while boating on it. So, big differance for you, little differance for me, just a matter of perspective then.

One question you haven't addressed is that concerning the possibility of the pirated video leading someone to your site and your subsequant enrichment. So...?

Sorry Jenae...

I didn't mean to insinuate that you're lying...only that you really won't fully understand the point of view we as site owners have since you don't 'market' content.

And, actually, what you said was that you'd be... OK with what I proposed. Which was someone taking your content, marketing it as their own, and selling it. Now I notice you've added the caveat that it wouldn't bother you... a lot. And I tell you... the more you saw the site making money off your content, the more that 'wouldn't bother you... a lot' would turn into 'kill those mother-------.'

But... thanks for the free content... typically, I pay between $40-$80 for a photoset but now I can save that cash and just use your wallpapers for an update. I'm sure lots of other site owners would be more than happy to use this free content as well to add content to their sites, especially since they can market as their own. Wow... my photoshop skills just went into overdrive without one single lesson! Me and the Members of my site thank you very much!

And, I really don't want to start bad blood between the two of us. I respect your opinions and you've been great to converse with. But, let me say... again, your choice of allegory is bad. The guy who drowns in the lake has no opinions on the matter. He's dead and therefore has no perspective. If he were to survive, who knows... it may be his favorite lake and he may still love it. People who have been savagely brutalized by animals still love them. But, that's besides the point...to answer your question...

THE HARM that is done with a whole video being illegally posted FAR outweighs the cost benefits of the VERY FEW who will join a site after viewing it. I don't think there is ANY site owner who would deny that. Find me one and I'll either show you someone who has no financial investment into the site or has a very poorly run business record, i.e. - he's not paying taxes and etc... which, btw... I do. I run a legitimate business. Registered. Pay taxes. Pay local taxes. Do my civic duties. Anyway...

In THAT case, you allegory would be good. A bakery may as well give out free loaves of bread in the hopes that someone will like it enough to come back and buy one. Not in a million years. There will be the one or two out of a thousand who have a moral inclination to do so but the VAST and OVERWHELMING majority would definitely not. It's human nature. If you see FREE on one site and $10.00 on the other for the same item... what are you going to choose.

In the case of torrent sites, if someone doesn't find the content he is looking for, he'll most likely keep searching the site until he does... NOT go directly to the site where the content originated. People who download content illegally from a site often have other consequences for the site owner that are hard to quantify. They usually use some sort of BOT to download multiple videos at once which kills bandwidth and can render the site unusable for other members. Those members in turn get frustrated and quit their memberships. Thus, they are not only taking content with the intention of deliberately spreading it, they are also cost the site other members who would have stayed. And yes, this IS from personal and direct experience. Most sites now implement some sort of program that will defeat multiple downloads at one time for this very purpose but many smaller sites simply can not afford to implement these programs.

C'mon.. let's be realistic. You're trying to justify something you don't really care that much about because it doesn't affect you. It affects me personally and I have a stake in it.

All I'm saying at the start of this whole thread is that if you claim to really enjoy a particular model or site, join it for a month and help support the industry instead of getting your rocks off for free on someone else's dime.

[Mandy]

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

One question you haven't addressed is that concerning the possibility of the pirated video leading someone to your site and your subsequent enrichment. So...?

I'm sure there are a few people who like to sample free porn before purchasing it, but it just doesn't offset the number of people who happily bust a nut and then download something free the next time they get a craving for trannyporn.

I am pessimistic about it all though, seems like trying to stop a flood with an umbrella.

And I admit to watching free porn to check out models I'm interested in (so I'm guilty as charged).