Are There Transsexuals here who have successfully married?

[Rambam]

Originally Posted by darkstargemini

> strange but true there r transgenders who i no that r married have kids ah yes a real job r accepted by sociaty so why would u ask i guess u don,t get out a lot or u need to listen learn understand and that,s all i got to say about that.

If you are talking to me, so show me any Asian TG who can marry a man in her country. Come on man, tell it to me. Where is it possible?
Know you, English isn't my native language but I can read and understand what the question is. The Starter of that topic lives in the Philippines and not in Europe where homosexual marriage isn't a problem.
And, we talk either about a transgendered woman who is marry with a GG.
I hope now you undertstand.

[fionahavelock]

Originally Posted by Rambam

If you are talking to me, so show me any Asian TG who can marry a man in her country. Come on man, tell it to me. Where is it possible?
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i know one couple here, she's well known ts. she was married with local guy. they married in moslem religion. they have some pictured to show us. i'm not really sure that it's legal by government, thats what i mean, they didn't have the same rights and benefit with heterosexual couples. so i guess it could happen by traditional society, but not recognized by government.
that makes me thinking, what the point getting married if it's not recognize then. but they married and live together happily..

[racquel]

Originally Posted by fionahavelock

i don't really agree with that term.. well of course people getting married also for many reason, protections, rights and also benefit. such as divorce protection, medical, social security and so on.
so i believe in legal marriage then just declare it..
it's just my thought...

I totally agree. I'm just saying it's not the end of the world. Gay and TS people have lived together for a long time, and you can get some of the same protections with business partnerships, civil unions and various contracts. Anybody can get a joint checking account.

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

...but the flat out truth is that they ALSO don't want same-sex couples destroying what they feel are their religious beliefs, and they absolutely don't want to see same-sex marriages impeding on their churches or their personal rights.

We all hear the cries of religious folks saying that gay marriage destroys the religious sanctity of marriage. There's one major, major problem with that argument. If you're going to truly follow your religion then for the most part you need to say that everybody who doesn't is going to hell. If you're a fundamentalist Christian you must think that atheists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists and probably Catholics are all going to hell. They're all heathens, not just the gays and trannys. Therefore all their marriages are an abomination -- an affront to God, Jesus and Scripture. So if you oppose gay marriage you should also oppose all marriage outside your faith because it all destroys the religious sanctity of marriage.

But all these fundamentalists are just hateful. They don't even care about what they're supposed to believe. If you actually read the Bible you will find that gays and transsexuals are not in any way condemned by Jesus. Moses said in Leviticus that you shouldn't have gay sex, but he also said you shouldn't eat pork or do any work on Saturday or you'll burn in hell. Jesus said over and over that people shouldn't try to follow the law of Moses, though. And remember that whole part where Sodom was destroyed because they were gay? Try actually reading it. The entire city wanted to gang rape two angels that God sent, and that is why they were destroyed. Of course, the Bible is all made up, but if you're going to say you follow it you should actually read it.

And the other argument that any marriage infringes on anybody else's rights is absurd.

[fionahavelock]

So if you oppose gay marriage you should also oppose all marriage outside your faith because it all destroys the religious sanctity of marriage.


well said racquel, i agree with it.

[Darha]

people will change and new opportunities exist, all will can live together, I look forward especially to find some tgirl for married with her. Of course I really want a good relationship with someone

[The Conquistador]

But the issue of gay marriage is not a federal matter; it is strictly a state matter and dependent on which states would ratify such legislation and how accepting the people are.

And I quote 10th amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Unfortunately the Constitution does not mention anything about marriage so it will be entirely left up to the residents of whatever state gay marriage is proposed in.

However, I see it becoming more widely accepted sooner if it was brought before SCOTUS. In a legal view, marriage is nothing more than a binding contract between two consenting adults. If it is ruled as such, any legislation prohibiting is would be unlawful. This is one of those issues where it is a matter not of "If", but of "When".

[ila]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

But the issue of gay marriage is not a federal matter;.......

Your statement applies to the U.S. This site has members from many countries around the world and in some of those countries marriage is a federal matter. For example in Canada same sex marriage was made legal by the federal parliament and therefore applies right across the country. There are no exceptions and no province or territory can amend or change or impinge on that legislation.

I am happy that Canada now allows same sex marriage. It means that I may one day be able to marry the girl of my dreams.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

But the issue of gay marriage is not a federal matter;

Right, so you agree that the Defense of Marriage Act is unconstitutional?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

But the issue of gay marriage is not a federal matter; it is strictly a state matter and dependent on which states would ratify such legislation and how accepting the people are.

And I quote 10th amendment: The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Unfortunately the Constitution does not mention anything about marriage so it will be entirely left up to the residents of whatever state gay marriage is proposed in.

However, I see it becoming more widely accepted sooner if it was brought before SCOTUS. In a legal view, marriage is nothing more than a binding contract between two consenting adults. If it is ruled as such, any legislation prohibiting is would be unlawful. This is one of those issues where it is a matter not of "If", but of "When".

The only problem with this as a "state's rights" issue is that, much like a driver's lisence, the benefits of a marriage lisence transfer from state to state. So, even with a patchwork of stipulations in marriage laws now a valid (hetero-) marriage retains it's legal weight. The 'Full failth and credit' of the state is recognized even in places where that union would not be legal (age of conscent being the one that comes to mind).

So it simply can't work as a state by state proposition with an extreemly mobile population.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by racquel

We all hear the cries of religious folks saying that gay marriage destroys the religious sanctity of marriage. There's one major, major problem with that argument. If you're going to truly follow your religion then for the most part you need to say that everybody who doesn't is going to hell. If you're a fundamentalist Christian you must think that atheists, Jews, Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists and probably Catholics are all going to hell. They're all heathens, not just the gays and trannys. Therefore all their marriages are an abomination -- an affront to God, Jesus and Scripture. So if you oppose gay marriage you should also oppose all marriage outside your faith because it all destroys the religious sanctity of marriage.

But all these fundamentalists are just hateful. They don't even care about what they're supposed to believe. If you actually read the Bible you will find that gays and transsexuals are not in any way condemned by Jesus. Moses said in Leviticus that you shouldn't have gay sex, but he also said you shouldn't eat pork or do any work on Saturday or you'll burn in hell. Jesus said over and over that people shouldn't try to follow the law of Moses, though. And remember that whole part where Sodom was destroyed because they were gay? Try actually reading it. The entire city wanted to gang rape two angels that God sent, and that is why they were destroyed. Of course, the Bible is all made up, but if you're going to say you follow it you should actually read it.

And the other argument that any marriage infringes on anybody else's rights is absurd.

One of the most precisely written posts here ever!