To Hell with all of It

[fatbloke]

I don't really believe what i am reading here,a transexual day of rememberance,ok,what about all the true female or for that matter male prostitutes who get fucked then brutalised,a day of rememberance for them?Kids at school who get beaten and bullied then take their own lives,a day of rememberance for them,regular girls who go out on dates with guys who they thought were swell,who get beaten and raped,a special day for them.What makes you so special...

[Creedence]

Society has come a long way in terms of acceptance and tolerance but sadly it still has a sizable bridge to cross before the trans community along with the gay and lesbian community is fully accepted.

People will always be skeptical, ignorant and worst of all, hateful towards people who's lifestyles differ from what they see as normal.

I can understand you're anger and frustration, the way trans women have been exploited and treated is sickening. The lack of care by the callous media is wrong.

I'm optimistic though that someday women like you Bionca will be fully accepted in this world. It may or may not happen in my lifetime but it will happen and its because of the strength of the women who lived and died just to be themselves.

[SweetCharmer]

right. to some of what bloke says i agree in the sense that in the whole picture transgender people being raped and killed is no different from any other woman or man being killed. no one is of higher importance here we're all the same we're human and that's what matters. not that a transgender, woman or man has been killed the fact that a human life was taken BY another human is bad enough. and also look at it this way: rememberence day for the world wars happens one day of the year and you only give 1 minute of silence..one minute for millions of peoples lives that were taken seems bad but nevertheless we have that one minute of silence and after it we go back to our normal lives and mostly forget about the day until it comes back.
its the same about TDOR you give your silence of rememberence and then go back to their lives. from what i gathered it seems like you want us to make a shrine to it all year round now i'm not looking for a fight o anything its just my take on this whole thread

[Amy]

This is a VERY good point - we SHOULD get more places OUTSIDE our own communities to recognise TDOR. Ideally, yes, some of the high profile TG porn sites, but that's unlikely. They're just in it for the money. That'd only happen if we took control of a larger chunk of the industry.
I *DO* however think that sites like THIS ONE ought to make a bigger deal of it. Possibly reskinning for a day, and posting news of some of the worst things to happen in the previous year. To get the message across of just what is suffered by those whom subscribers here so "admire".

[smc]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

ok,what about all the true female or for that matter male prostitutes who get fucked then brutalised

What the fuck makes you so special,how dare you think the whole world revolves around you.

It sure is difficult to pretend that words like those fatbloke uses haven't been screamed by some hateful, self-righteous asshole as he works over his victim and creates a new person to remember on TDOR.

[fatbloke]

Originally Posted by smc

It sure is difficult to pretend that words like those fatbloke uses haven't been screamed by some hateful, self-righteous asshole as he works over his victim and creates a new person to remember on TDOR.

Did you actually read what i said?

[smc]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

Did you actually read what i said?

I read every word of what you wrote, more than once. Call me all the names you want. It will not change the fact that you, in essence, state that one victimized group cannot or should not have its own "holy quest" (your arrogant words) because there are other victims in the world.

You claim to have the "biggest respect for" the TS girls on the site who have written stories about their "relationships" with guys who have said the very same sorts of things as you -- just before treating them with the very antithesis of that respect.

I stand by every word I wrote in response to your earlier post.

[fatbloke]

Originally Posted by smc

I read every word of what you wrote, more than once. Call me all the names you want. It will not change the fact that you, in essence, state that one victimized group cannot or should not have its own "holy quest" (your arrogant words) because there are other victims in the world.

You claim to have the "biggest respect for" the TS girls on the site who have written stories about their "relationships" with guys who have said the very same sorts of things as you -- just before treating them with the very antithesis of that respect.

I stand by every word I wrote in response to your earlier post.

No,i think the only problem is that i have a different opinion.Saying that what i have said automaticly makes me the sort of person that would beat and abuse a transexual person seems to me that you are attacking me for the very reason that my opinion is different.Seems to me that, did the same thing happened to people in nazi germany,stalinist russia,china,cambodia,these are very extreme examples i admit,but i am just trying to make a point.
I must apologise for the name calling,but i am a passionate man,sometimes my feelings run away with me

[smc]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

No,i think the only problem is that i have a different opinion.

You should go back and read my original response to your post. I was very careful not to accuse you directly of being "the sort of person that would beat and abuse a transexual person." Rather, I pointed out that in making your point you used some of the very same words that might be used by such a person. And I titled my post "words as weapons."

Get the point? It's not just a "different opinion." It is the fundamental starting point. What you called "sucking up" is me getting out from under the very shit you claim I'm shoveling.

[Amy]

Ironically - THIS THREAD sums up my experience of TDOR.


Have a look at Livejournal sometime. It inevitably becomes a massive wankfest of everyone bitching about everyone else and conveniently forgetting the point of it all.