Does liking shemales make you gay?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by javabox

Doubt it. If the poster liked shemales not for the male, but for the she (meaning, just for the she), then he could simplify his life immensely by only focusing on cisgirls. There are so many more of them ... at last count, more than half the people on the planet fall into that category. A lot more options. But it doesn't seem to be the case that people who like shemales like them specifically for either the male or the she. They like them for the both-ness.

Of course, I could be wrong. Like the original poster, I'd welcome a link to a thread where your point of view is spelled out in more detail.

As males, we know how how well our cock can produce pleasure. We know how much we enjoy females and their beautiful bodies. We know how good it is to have our cock inserted in a female. We put all of these feelings together when we view a beautiful shemale displaying her lovely cock, our mind tells us that this girl has special sexual attributes well beyond a regular female. All of her is female and all of her is desirable, including her female
cock. Biologically the male penis is analogous to the female clitoris.

[randolph]

A further comment.
Suppose a genetic female could get gene therapy on her genitalia that would transform her clitty into a functional penis. I suspect that we (men) would find it equally desirable as a transexual penis. Not only that, if she still had a pussey then she would be a hermaphrodite (futa. girl). How much fun would that be?

[Bionca]

Yes, you all are the faggiest fags who ever fagged a fag... happy?? Oh wait.. you are trying to save some bit of heterosexuality so that when WE get shit on YOU can stay nice and comfortably wrapped in your hetero-ness.

Here is the deal from my perspective - does it matter if you are? If it does, why? You are aware that most people who know will think you are? As someone who grew up assumed to be gay, who was very openly attracted to men in a male context, the very last thing I want is to be some closet for some guy. Maybe that's my lot in life if as a trans*woman, but I hope it isn't.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Here is the deal from my perspective - does it matter if you are?

Thanks, Bionca. I was just about to write something quite similar. As all of you ponder this question, consider what the world would be like if everyone could just live happily with whatever their attractions (so long as they aren't hurtful in the way child molestation is, for example), and everyone would be fine with the attractions of others. Labels of the sort being discussed in this thread are the type that keep us from ever getting past discrimination, as well as keep us from being able to embrace our true selves.

[javabox]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Here is the deal from my perspective - does it matter if you are?

Answering for myself? No. In my comment above, I was merely responding to a statement that Franalexes made ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'"), and responding using the terms in which the statement was framed. That was not intended as a validation of those terms. The statement ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'") seems as reductive, and as much an oversimplification, as if a het person were to take the opposite tack and say: "if you're attracted to a trans person, just accept that you're gay, and get on with life".

The point is that framing it as an either/or proposition is not going to work. The conventional categories themselves do not work. The premise and terms of the discussion itself lack validity.

Again though, I could be wrong, and I would be interested in reading the other posts to which Franalexes alluded.

[smc]

Originally Posted by javabox

... framing it as an either/or proposition is not going to work. The conventional categories themselves do not work.

You are absolutely right: framing it as an either/or does not work. I would contend that it should not work; in fact, I don't want it to work, because it leads us right back to labeling, or -- as you put it -- "conventional categories."

No one could rationally deny that there is a point in labels and categorization: it serves to make easier the understanding that all of us seek. But it has such a horrid downside.

What joy there is in coming around to just being who you are without anyone else defining it.

[Bionca]

Well, the answer - either way denies some large portion of my life. If I say "yes" you are gay.. then my identity is a lie and I'm a guy with tits. If I say "no" and assure guys they are totally hetero, then I deny the fact I was perceived as a gay guy, harassed as a gay guy. It belittles an important and formative point in my life. It can also make it seem that I couldn't "cut it" as a gay guy and took the easy way of hetero living.

While asked of the men here, the answer affects me and gals like me - because we can't win. We can't win because no matter how much we all may want something, society will still call you and I "fags". Maybe I have a leg up, since I grew up with that one.

[javabox]

Seems like a lot of us are saying the same thing ... it isn't as simple as yes/no, either/or, etc.

I like the point smc is making ... that it's hard to get through life without using labels and categories ... the act of using language is one of labeling, to a large extent. But often the labels, as much as we try to apply them, fall down ... they just don't "stick". Eventually language and constructs may catch up with what is ... language does evolve. But I'm in agreement with those who aren't holding their breath, or waiting around for it to.

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Well, the answer - either way denies some large portion of my life. If I say "yes" you are gay.. then my identity is a lie and I'm a guy with tits. If I say "no" and assure guys they are totally hetero, then I deny the fact I was perceived as a gay guy, harassed as a gay guy. It belittles an important and formative point in my life. It can also make it seem that I couldn't "cut it" as a gay guy and took the easy way of hetero living.

While asked of the men here, the answer affects me and gals like me - because we can't win. We can't win because no matter how much we all may want something, society will still call you and I "fags". Maybe I have a leg up, since I grew up with that one.

the answer doesnt have anything to do with you or the other girls, you know what you are, you made your choices and are very proud and happy about them(well you should be i suppose that is why you have to talk to a therapist before undergoing everything)
this isnt about what you think about us its about what WE think of us. you had your moment of personal "crisis" your moment of desicion and thats good, very good. now we are undergoing a similar moment of desicion. its not going to change if we like shemales or not, if liking them makes us gay or not, i suppose a lot of us want to know so we can label ourselves, like humans very much like to do. its important to you if you are seen as a girl with a cock or a man with tits. you said so yourself, you seem to desire the label that you put on yourself. you dont care if i see you as one or the other, at least you shouldnt.

fact is it makes us a little on the gay side, but who cares? is it really that important in the long run, arent there more important things to worry about