Barack Obama

[Ogryn1313]

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid.

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

If I was walking in the woods and I met McCain and Palin, I would slit their throat and throw them in a ditch.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

[Ogryn1313]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

If I was walking in the woods and I met McCain and Palin, I would slit their throat and throw them in a ditch.

That pretty much sums it up for me.

Well, aren't you just the informed and socially concerned voter? Comments like that really diminish any argument for or against a thing. Shame on you. Shame shame shame Anna..everyone know's your name.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Well, aren't you just the informed and socially concerned voter? Comments like that really diminish any argument for or against a thing. Shame on you. Shame shame shame Anna..everyone know's your name.

You know what, I wasn't putting forward any argument, I was stating the conclusion I have reached. I am well informed as to McCain and Palin, and that's what had led me to this conclusion.


If you met Palin in the woods one day, what do you think she would think of you? You're a fag, deny it all you like, but you like dick, and that makes you a faggot, and Palin doesn't like faggots. I'm glad I'm not American, I don't have the risk of this fucked up bitch taking away my rights.

[Ogryn1313]

Aww. You're so mean calling me names. Sniff...faggot. So what if she thought of me as a fag? I don't care of the ignorance of others and I will condemn people for their flaws. She could call me a fag. But if I see value in here just the same I'll respect it.

I find it hilarious outsiders think they know anything about rights in the nations. Let alone how this nation works. Most foreigners who run their mouths don't have much of an informed opinion. Even the ones who trot out "well I've visited America."

I've been here all my life. And I have the same rights I did when I was born today. I've not lost a single one. It doesn't matter who is in the White House or not. Why? It's not the president who has the most impact on our day to day lives in America. Not at all. So get it right Anna. It's fucking Congress who has the most daily impact. They're the ones who make the decisions that effect the citizens most. Not the president. But I don't think you'd be able to see this through your bias tinted glasses.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

If you met Palin in the woods one day, what do you think she would think of you? You're a fag, deny it all you like, but you like dick, and that makes you a faggot, and Palin doesn't like faggots. I'm glad I'm not American, I don't have the risk of this fucked up bitch taking away my rights.

She's against gay marriage. You mean you have that right in your country? You're in the UK. My source says Holland, Belgium, Canada, Spain, and South Africa allow it. It may be outdated though. If you don't have that right in the UK, then I'm not sure how the right to gay marriage can be taken away from you.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

Please, guys and girls, calm down a bit... no need to scream outta ur hat here... I was merely trying to be funny and friendly.

But you missed the point and apparently, American socalled PATRIOTISM (by defined by George Bush and his hoods) is becoming as "holy" as muslim "patriotism". And that is basicly why, it's too dangerous to leave the election of the American president to the American people... ;-)

Oh well, the Chinese have awoken and will make this their century anyways.

But be PROUD! And just send MacDonalds and your marines... and if we don't bend to your PATRIOTIC way, then just send the missiles... you always wanted isolationalism... so why not take it to the limit and kill off anything that cannot be labelled as God's own American PATRIOTISM?

These are the policies that Barack Obama will not follow...

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

But be PROUD! And just send MacDonalds and your marines... and if we don't bend to your PATRIOTIC way, then just send the missiles... you always wanted isolationalism... so why not take it to the limit and kill off anything that cannot be labelled as God's own American PATRIOTISM?

These are the policies that Barack Obama will not follow...

I can think of dozens of countries who do not "bend to our patriotic way", and no missiles are being sent. What countries are you talking about who we've fired missiles at because they simply did not "bend to our patriotic way"? And don't say Iraq because if you've studied the situation at all you'll know there's a bit more to it than not bending to our patriotic way.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

And don't say Iraq because if you've studied the situation at all you'll know there's a bit more to it than not bending to our patriotic way.

There certainly is... a sinister amount of a bit more... ;-)

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?

maybe hank has already answered this, but i am an american and i have an answer as to why people from other countries might doubt the average americans ability to choose thier own leaders.
1. the average american cant find washington dc on a map. go ahead and try it. ask people on the street, you will be SHOCKED
2. most of us are fat lazy and too busy voting on the latest american idol and whether or not sanjaya is hot or funny looking to worry about whether or not we should be going to war
3 speaking of war a shit load of americans STILL BELIEVE THAT IRAQ OR SADDAM BOMBED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. those same americans cant find iraq on a map(i will bring the map up a few more times i am sure)
4. the "average" american is lucky to have his GED or be able to read. sad but true. most americans are uneducated and our education system is pretty fucked up so even if you did finish high school if you didnt go to a decent college you didnt really learn anything anyway
5 we voted for BUSH JR TWICE!!!
and that last one i think is the one that should be the clincher. if we had another republican as president i think we would have deserved to have europe come over here and take the reins for a little while.

of course i do wonder a few things about this post period
1 why are we discussing obama here in a forum dedicated to ladyboys and populated by(as it seems) very few americans? it just seems out of place thats all
2 what would non americans know about the situation here if they have not lived here? look i wouldnt presume to know anything about english prime ministers, and someone said something about america taking a big inevitable step and voting in a non white as president. other than disraeli who was jewish and i think still technically white, has england had a black prime minister? a woman yeah and that isnt too surprising from a country that has had (has) a queen. so females in high places..not so much a big leap so why is it such a big deal that we have? so what i have news for you, the colour of the mans skin, not such a big issue as you might think(i wouldnt stand next to him if we were down south though)

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

i am an american and i have an answer as to why people from other countries might doubt the average americans ability to choose thier own leaders.

Since november I too have had these doubts.

Originally Posted by McLuvinladyboys

1. the average american cant find washington dc on a map. go ahead and try it. ask people on the street, you will be SHOCKED
2. most of us are fat lazy and too busy voting on the latest american idol and whether or not sanjaya is hot or funny looking to worry about whether or not we should be going to war
3 speaking of war a shit load of americans STILL BELIEVE THAT IRAQ OR SADDAM BOMBED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. those same americans cant find iraq on a map(i will bring the map up a few more times i am sure)
4. the "average" american is lucky to have his GED or be able to read. sad but true. most americans are uneducated and our education system is pretty fucked up so even if you did finish high school if you didnt go to a decent college you didnt really learn anything anyway
5 we voted for BUSH JR TWICE!!!
and that last one i think is the one that should be the clincher. if we had another republican as president i think we would have deserved to have europe come over here and take the reins for a little while.

Hell... the average american probably couldn't even:
1. State Newton's 3 laws
2. Identify the prominent mineral on the moon's surface
3. Write a lagrangian equation for a basic pendulum
4. Derive Maxwell's equations in tensor form

or even:
5. Say why Bush Jr attacked Iraq
6. Know that al Qaeda planned to use nerve gas to kill 80,000 people in Jordan, or that the nerve gas came from Iraq before the Iraq war.
7. Knew that Clinton and several democrats in congress had been whining about Iraqi WMD throughout Clinton's terms and right on through till 2003.
8. Know what Obama promised other than 'Change'.
9. Suck their tits while stroking their cock.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

Yea, imagine if the US decided that it was going to make decisions for Iraqis, or Afghanis!


<Alternate>

Yes, only the people who are in the nation controlled by a government should vote for that government. So only Americans, Iraqis and Afganis should vote for the US president.

[Ogryn1313]

The Iraqis elected their own leaders you know. Made possible by removing Saddam Hussein. And, it seems the Iraqi's were quite happy being able to elect their own leaders. So much so that Kurds in the north even ran a television ad thanking the Americans for making it possible.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

The Iraqis elected their own leaders you know. Made possible by removing Saddam Hussein. And, it seems the Iraqi's were quite happy being able to elect their own leaders. So much so that Kurds in the north even ran a television ad thanking the Americans for making it possible.

The Iraqi parliament voted that the US should leave, the US are still there, that pretty much sums it up.

[Ogryn1313]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

The Iraqi parliament voted that the US should leave, the US are still there, that pretty much sums it up.

Because if we left precipitously Iraq would be in full civil war and likely invaded by Iran. Or at the lest Iran would install a puppet regime.

That's the typical comeback of a person who refuses to look at the big picture but rather complain about certain points.


On my other site people like you are in the majority. You might like it there. And in particular all the Brits do as you do. Every Brit I've ever encountered seems to have some kind of ignrance driven obsession with hating this nation. I've yet to find one Brit say one positive thing about America.

And I'm left to conclude it is because of two possible things: Brits are, by nature arrogant assholes who love to bitch and moan. Or, and I do hope this one is the reason, the people of England are bashing the United States to mask their insecurities about their own less than perfect nation. After all, it isn't as if England has a spotless and unblemished history and has always been the paragon of a virtuous nation. And as Tracy pointed out, England has had more effect on the Middle East than America.

So, could it be that the people of England, who bitch about America while ignoring their own "fuckeduppery" simply being insecure? Makes them feel a little better about their smile island nation?

Why is America having more effect now? Because America has more power, wealth and influence. It's no wonder when the shit hits the fan nations call on America long and pass on England.

Then consider history. England is sore they lost their colonies. And who stood to benefit the most from the Industrial Revolution? Not England. America. Because we made this our country. England lost its superpower status. And so when the Industrial Revolution happened all the vast resources of this nation were ours. England, on the other hand, by this time was a shrinking empire who depended, and still does, on trade from other nations to survive. England lacks the agricultural capacity and manufacturing capacity to be self-sufficient. Whereas, if America so desired, we could sever ties with other nations in the form of trade and be able to survive on our own resources with the exception of oil.

In other words: America is the big dog on the porch while England is the little waiting for scraps.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Because if we left precipitously Iraq would be in full civil war and likely invaded by Iran. Or at the lest Iran would install a puppet regime.

You are an American, what business do you have in telling the Iraqis what is good for them?

[Ogryn1313]

Can't you do any better than that?

What business did the Brits have of forcing opium on China during the Opium War? Invading other countries and then colonizing them? And many other historical blemishes. How about criticizing merry old England for a spell?

You're proving me right, in regards to my previous comment. Even more so with useless equivalency.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Yea, imagine if the US decided that it was going to make decisions for Iraqis, or Afghanis!

Wasn't it the UK that redefined the borders of countries in the Mid East? That turned out real well.

[McLuvinladyboys]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.

they might have been able to save us from 8 years of bush jr? just a thought there, i mean we wouldnt have HAD to listen, but someone could have warned us..oh wait they sort of did. never mind