GOP'ish candidates

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

I don't need to, and neither do you. You know that majority does not rule in the United States Senate, but conveniently ignore that fact to make your point.

Further, I did not post anything that could be construed as stating that this was a simple vote on the tax measure. My post specifically states: "get the Republicans to agree to other measures that were necessary at the time."

I know you saw that in my post.

The majority does not rule in the senate? Huh?

[TracyCoxx]

This election year is going to the dogs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEBN8wOKjMo

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

This election year is going to the dogs...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEBN8wOKjMo

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit.

Personally, as someone who counts 64 members of his family lost to the Nazis in death camps, I find this to be reprehensible.

I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit.

Personally, as someone who counts 64 members of his family lost to the Nazis in death camps, I find this to be reprehensible.

I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?

Uhhh, I take it you've completely missed this meme? This in no way compares Obama to hitler. There's a bunch of these videos on youtube with the same scene where Hitler's going ballistic about something. On Youtube people change the subtitles to all kinds of funny things, like this one where he doesn't like the ending to harry potter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rytV6i6bSnA

There's another one where he finds out his car has a parking boot put on it, or that Santa isn't real or that someone blew up his death star. This is yet another one that someone made with the revelation (recent revelation if you haven't read Obama's book) that he's eaten dog before. Did you miss that too? Dog recipes are flying all over the internet now (golden fried retriever, etc) and of course the hitler meme is not immune to it either.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Uhhh, I take it you've completely missed this meme? This in no way compares Obama to hitler. There's a bunch of these videos on youtube with the same scene where Hitler's going ballistic about something. On Youtube people change the subtitles to all kinds of funny things, like this one where he doesn't like the ending to harry potter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rytV6i6bSnA

There's another one where he finds out his car has a parking boot put on it, or that Santa isn't real or that someone blew up his death star. This is yet another one that someone made with the revelation (recent revelation if you haven't read Obama's book) that he's eaten dog before. Did you miss that too? Dog recipes are flying all over the internet now (golden fried retriever, etc) and of course the hitler meme is not immune to it either.

I missed none of it. There's nothing funny about Hitler. How about answering the question I posed.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

I missed none of it. There's nothing funny about Hitler. How about answering the question I posed.

The joke obviously wasn't meant for you then.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

The joke obviously wasn't meant for you then.

Answer my question.

Anyone else think Hitler is funny? How about in the context of Tracy Coxx's other political posts about Obama and Obama's positions, and given the Tuse of Hitler images at public Tea Party events. Or how about the recent statement by a Catholic bishop likening Obama to Hitler and Stalin?

[tslust]

Originally Posted by smc

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit.

Personally, as someone who counts 64 members of his family lost to the Nazis in death camps, I find this to be reprehensible.

I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?

Do you repudiate all of the liberals who made such comparisons about Bush?

[smc]

Originally Posted by tslust

Do you repudiate all of the liberals who made such comparisons about Bush?

Absolutely, without equivocation. Any such comparison, besides being wrong, is scurrilous and without historical merit. And please note that I do not consider myself to be a liberal, nor do I hold liberal views by any genuine definition of that term. My views are considerably to the left of any "liberal," whether the U.S. definition of the term or the more widespread definition of the term globally.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by smc

[COLOR="Black"]Absolutely, without equivocation. Any such comparison, besides being wrong, is scurrilous and without historical merit.[/COLOR

Thanks enough said.

[tslust]

I don't mind people offering criticism about specific actions. What I don't llike is people who make blanket statments (basically ammounting to, he's just stupid) based on political party lines, personal opinion, or (dare I even say it) race.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by tslust

Do you repudiate all of the liberals who made such comparisons about Bush?

See this is what smc does. The video I posted makes absolutely no comparison between Obama and Hitler. But what has smc turned this into? An accusation that I did precisely that. And now others are asking smc if he would repudiate liberals who would _compare_ Bush to Hitler. The topic has now been successfully changed and I will be accused of not responding to criticisms or direct questions about my posts when in fact you are now talking about something I never did: comparing people to Hitler which has now been attributed to me.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

See this is what smc does. The video I posted makes absolutely no comparison between Obama and Hitler. But what has smc turned this into? An accusation that I did precisely that. And now others are asking smc if he would repudiate liberals who would _compare_ Bush to Hitler. The topic has now been successfully changed and I will be accused of not responding to criticisms or direct questions about my posts when in fact you are now talking about something I never did: comparing people to Hitler which has now been attributed to me.

See this is what Tracy Coxx does. He writes that the video "makes absolutely no comparison between Obama and Hitler." But the title of the video is "Hitler Finds Out Obama Ate His Dog" (oh, my, there IS an Obama reference!).

My response to the posting was this:

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit.

Note that I did not attribute to Tracy Coxx the comparison he states I accuse him of. No, he makes that up, because he needs to accuse me of something that he thinks will make my point look illegitimate. Also, by doing so, he tries to shift the focus away from my point, which is precisely that given the political environment, and the comparisons made BY OTHERS, this kind of humor -- in my opinion -- is harmful.

[smc]

^ One more thing: if the Hitler video was just about humor, why was it posted in one of the political threads?

I think anyone with half a brain can figure out the answer.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

See this is what Tracy Coxx does. He writes that the video "makes absolutely no comparison between Obama and Hitler." But the title of the video is "Hitler Finds Out Obama Ate His Dog" (oh, my, there IS an Obama reference!).

It took you a week to find the reference to Obama in the title? Hopefully it doesn't take you another week to realize that reference does not mean comparison.

Originally Posted by smc

Note that I did not attribute to Tracy Coxx the comparison he states I accuse him of.

Fine. Then leave me out of it and whine about jpjoiner, the person who posted the video on youtube if you're not attributing the comparison to me.

Originally Posted by smc

Also, by doing so, he tries to shift the focus away from my point, which is precisely that given the political environment, and the comparisons made BY OTHERS, this kind of humor -- in my opinion -- is harmful.

Your point shifted focus away from the humor of the video. Have you considered that?

Originally Posted by smc

One more thing: if the Hitler video was just about humor, why was it posted in one of the political threads?

You've said that before and no one took it seriously. It's funny that you say it again... which is ironic if there's no humor allowed in political threads.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by smc

Congratulations on one of your more articulate dodges. I note that still, after all this time, you have not repudiated the comparison made by so many of your ideological cothinkers.

So, here goes. Forget about the video for now.

So are you saying now that you can separate the fact that some people have compared Obama to Hitler from my posting of a simple hitler spoof video?

Are you not now accusing me, as this post implies:

Originally Posted by smc

In an electoral environment where people have claimed a legitimate place in the political arena while carrying signs of Obama made to look like Adolph Hitler, and even comparing him to Hitler, this kind of thing ... even in jest ... is absolutely disgusting and without merit.

Personally, as someone who counts 64 members of his family lost to the Nazis in death camps, I find this to be reprehensible.

of posting a video that personally attacks you and others who have lost family members and loved ones to this monster? If so, I will answer your question.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So are you saying now that you can separate the fact that some people have compared Obama to Hitler from my posting of a simple hitler spoof video?

Are you not now accusing me, as this post implies:
of posting a video that personally attacks you and others who have lost family members and loved ones to this monster? If so, I will answer your question.

I am tying up loose ends. Your post is yet another dodge. I did not accuse you, as anyone reading the post and the subsequent discussion can see (which includes you). I don't think anything more needs to be said other than to point out, for the final time, that you have been given numerous opportunities to repudiate the comparison made by Tea Party demonstrators between Hitler and Obama, as well as some talk radio hosts -- a comparison that GOP candidates and other leaders have refused to repudiate or simply ignore. No matter what twist or turn the discussion of the original posting of the video takes, by your hand (or, as you would accuse, mine), you have behaved exactly as the GOP leaders: dodge the question, ignore the question, try to move the discussion in another direction ...

But what you haven't done is repudiate the comparison. Period. And at this point, I think everyone can draw her or his own conclusion about what that says about TracyCoxx.

[TracyCoxx]

And your latest bans demonstrates once again why it's not worth having a serious discussion with you. You, as always, are free to discuss what you want here. You will do it without me though. There's other far more interesting people here to talk to and I should take advantage of that while they're still around.

[ila]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

And your latest bans demonstrates once again why it's not worth having a serious discussion with you...

You're wrong. smc has banned anyone recently.