Two part question for t-girls and admirers alike.

[Melissa Pink]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Lets start off with a question for t-girl admirers.

Is your attraction to t-girls [shemales, ladyboys, dick girls (dislike those terms btw, but they are the most widely known) cd, transvestite, fem boy, what have you] strictly sexual, or are you more interested in getting to know one, or both? Are you also transgendered in some way, or have thought about it somewhat?

Now for the t-girls of the forum.

Do any of you girls (like myself) find the terms "shemale, ladyboy, or dick girl" offensive? Do you view yourself as the third gender? Are you planing on having SRS (or have already gone through the process)? Did you ever get sexually aroused by dressing before you transitioned (I know that's autogynophila)? Or did you get sexually aroused because you could finally see yourself being sexual as your true gender or your partner being attracted to the girl that they see before them?
Now I know ladyboy is a direct translation for the thai word "Kathoey" and is to distinguish the difference between a cis male and cis woman. Cause the thai don't have a word for a pre-op transsexual woman. They are just women.

Please be as detailed and articulate as possible. There will be no judgement from me and hopefully none will come from anybody else. Though what ever your answer may be. Do expect more questions from me and others. This is all about understanding each other.

And now I'll answer my own questions for everybody.

First question:
I am attracted to t-girls, more specifically non-op transsexual women. Because I'm more attracted to femininity and penis (I'm pan, so I like cis men and women too, just not as much).
Women are more sensual with there affections and know how to please another woman (touch, kiss, caress, and more importantly when and how long to do it).
I'm also attracted to fem boys [sadly most fem boys (appearance, voice, attire, and mannerisms)] are gay, so won't be interested in me.
I can even bring myself to be versatile with a fem boy.
I prefer penis to vagina, because I'm mostly a bottom and only occasionally top girls. There's just something about a hairy man ass and masculine moaning that . But most of the time I'm .
Men are more forceful and rough with their affections witch can be good some times. But I prefer slow and genital most of the time.
I can see myself falling in love with a cis man, cis woman, fem boy, t-girl, or a combination of the four. I'm pan-sexual and a bit poly amorous.

Second question:
Well I don't view myself as a "third gender". I see myself as a woman who had the most unfortunate outcome of being born in a males body. I was born female minded, male bodied.
It's funny how our language has progressed. Female; being the feminine version of male. But yet in the womb we all start out as female. And some would be offended if I refereed to myself as female. Though if you look at it literally. I AM female, NOT shemale. (I know... Semantics /
If there was going to be new words for defining the "third gender". Than it should be the cis gendered female that should have a new descriptive word made up. If I were a more literally creative I'd do it myself and try to get it to catch on.
Interestingly enough. My mom told me that she was hopping for a girl during the first trimester. Than later changing her mind (know my father had molested girls) to hoping for a boy up until I was born (not knowing that it didn't make a difference to my dad). So there's one account for nature over nurture.
I chose to remain non-op (and probably won't even opt for any other surgery), because the thought of having a neo vagina and not a natural one isn't appealing.
I mean what's the point of risking working genitalia that I do derive pleasure from for sculpted female genitals. It doesn't offer the ability to give birth, self lubricate, and it requires dilation every two weeks for the rest of my life.
Unlike the majority of transsexual women. I couldn't put my finger on why I was different from everybody else (more pressing matters occupied my thoughts) when I was a child. Though looking back. I know this is the right path for me. I was always very feminine and only in my high school years did I have to learn to act masculine to avoid ridicule (though it didn't always work).
And as a teenager I would get aroused while dressing. For awhile I viewed this as a fetish. But in retrospect, I've come to realize that it wasn't because I was wearing the opposite genders clothes. But that I was imagined being the girl that I am with in a sexual context.
I tired having sex with gay men (before I transitioned) but it never felt right. And I couldn't put my finger on why at the time. But it's because the gay men that I experimented with viewed me as a man, witch is what led me my discomfort in those situations. (Oddly enough though, I didn't seam to have a problem having sex with bi men. )

In conclusion: I am who I am... Take it or leave it.

This is a wonderful post and I'd like to share my feelings on your questions as a someone who is in the fourth year of transition.

I do feel the term shemale offensive depending on who uses it and if it's meant as a perjorative. I casually refer to myself as a "tranny" or "t-girl". A few years ago when asked by a naive college guy during Mardi Gras in New Orleans if I was a "transvestite" or a "she-male" I quietly corrected him and told him I preferred the term transgender. He turned out to be a nice guy and I ended up spending the night with him. He returned back to Ohio with new insight and experiences regarding the transgendered females and our capacity for sensual fun.

Anyone that has read many of my posts knows that I enjoy cock a great deal. I've dated a number of males but like you I tend to be attracted to other transgendered women. I enjoy the softness and lines of the female form especially if it's accompanied with a functional penis. I have no plans for SRS as I am over all quite happy with myself. Contrary to you I do consider myself a member of the "third sex". Psychologically, emotionally and sexually I am quite female but I know that even with a surgically fabricated vagina I'll always be a genetic male.

I too have had "gay sex" with mixed results. When I was in my 20's I had a few flings with gay men I met in college. I enjoyed the experiences at the time particularly being topped, but I always felt weird about it later. My sexual experiences since my transition have been incredible! I can't imagine that SRS would enhance it in anyway other than having a vagina would make intercourse a little more spontaneous.

I dabbled in "dressing up" when I was younger and knew that it was much more than a "crossdressing fetish". Don't get me wrong. There is nothing wrong with crossdressing. I have many friends who identify themselves as crossdressers. I'm all about making friends with people who accept me for who I am be they straight, gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender or a crossdresser. Who really needs labels anyway?

I agree with you! I am who I am! Take me or leave me as I am. I am happy with where I am at this stage of life! It's all good! If someone accepts me and is nice to me and treats me a like a lady I know that they won't regret it.

Originally Posted by Melissa Pink

Contrary to you I do consider myself a member of the "third sex". Psychologically, emotionally and sexually I am quite female but I know that even with a surgically fabricated vagina I'll always be a genetic male.

Well ty for your answers. I do appreciate them.
Though for the quoted section above. I thought I might share something with you. I should probably find a link to this study, but never the less here it is. A transsexual woman is a real girl and a gg (genetic girl). There was a study (in Sweden I believe) in the early noughties (that's 2000 to 2009 for those that don't know) where a sample of pre and post transition transsexual women (meaning before and after hormone treatment) cadavers to see if their brain chemistry and make up were similar or not to cis female brains. The study showed that they were in fact identical.
So it's been proven that transsexual women are truly female brained. So saying that they are not true or real women is a false misconception.

So the way I take that is... All transsexuals, be it men or women, are genetically so (as far as brain chemistry goes). So no mater what your body was to begin with... I say your brain conveys everything about you. Including your gender.

But ty again Melissa.

[Melissa Pink]

Originally Posted by ThirdEyeGirl

Well ty for your answers. I do appreciate them.
Though for the quoted section above. I thought I might share something with you. I should probably find a link to this study, but never the less here it is. A transsexual woman is a real girl and a gg (genetic girl). There was a study (in Sweden I believe) in the early noughties (that's 2000 to 2009 for those that don't know) where a sample of pre and post transition transsexual women (meaning before and after hormone treatment) cadavers to see if their brain chemistry and make up were similar or not to cis female brains. The study showed that they were in fact identical.
So it's been proven that transsexual women are truly female brained. So saying that they are not true or real women is a false misconception.

So the way I take that is... All transsexuals, be it men or women, are genetically so (as far as brain chemistry goes). So no mater what your body was to begin with... I say your brain conveys everything about you. Including your gender.

But ty again Melissa.

Thank you for the feedback! I would definitely like to read that Swedish study. I suspect that there is some truth to the study. All that I meant by stating that I was a member of the "third gender" is that in society we often aren't totally accepted and I have learned to be comfortable with being a transgender. If anyone is troubled by that it's their problem!

I have always felt like my brain was wired like a female. Even when I was doing macho things in the military, sports, etc. I always identified with being a woman. Once I went with my feelings and began my transition and started to date and have sexual relationships I hardly felt like I was "gay". Quite to the contrary, I feel like a woman regardless of my genetic background. I agree that our brain conveys who we are including our gender.
Thanks again!

Originally Posted by Melissa Pink

Thank you for the feedback! I would definitely like to read that Swedish study. I suspect that there is some truth to the study. All that I meant by stating that I was a member of the "third gender" is that in society we often aren't totally accepted and I have learned to be comfortable with being a transgender. If anyone is troubled by that it's their problem!

I have always felt like my brain was wired like a female. Even when I was doing macho things in the military, sports, etc. I always identified with being a woman. Once I went with my feelings and began my transition and started to date and have sexual relationships I hardly felt like I was "gay". Quite to the contrary, I feel like a woman regardless of my genetic background. I agree that our brain conveys who we are including our gender.
Thanks again!

Your very much welcome Melissa.
And of course I know what you mean about transgendered people in our up society. But all we can really do is stand up proud and try and educate as many people as we possibly can.

The study you're talking about was actually Dutch, not Swedish. I seem to remember seeing something about it on the TV over here in the UK a couple of years back. Although the findings were just as you said, I seem to recall that the sample was pretty small - for obvious reasons - so they were reluctant to draw too many conclusions from it.

Having joined in on this thread now, I suppose I'd better do my best to answer your questions as well...

I guess if I considered myself anything it would be Androgynous. I seem to be stuck somewhere in the middle really - although I spend a good chunk of my time as a male I have a very strong female side that I need to express as well. Right now, I doubt I'd want to go any furthur than that but you can never tell in the future. I do find dressing sexy, but I've been dressing on and off now since I was about 12, so it kinda started before I began muddying the waters with a lot of sexual identity questions. However, if I am going to dress I like to look as feminine as possible. That would extend to meeting people dressed as well.

Being called Shemale or Ladyboy isn't great really - I've actually had somebody call me a Ladyboy once, just because I had long hair at the time (I wasn't even dressed when they said it either!) - and Tranny isn't wonderful either. Mind you, I've heard a lot worse - perhaps I'm just a bit too laid back about it

Sexually, I prefer cis women, unless I'm dressed in which case I tend to go for guys more, although that's not set in stone by any means. If I'm not dressed I really don't look at guys much at all.

Originally Posted by Natalie_J

The study you're talking about was actually Dutch, not Swedish. I seem to remember seeing something about it on the TV over here in the UK a couple of years back. Although the findings were just as you said, I seem to recall that the sample was pretty small - for obvious reasons - so they were reluctant to draw too many conclusions from it.

Having joined in on this thread now, I suppose I'd better do my best to answer your questions as well...

I guess if I considered myself anything it would be Androgynous. I seem to be stuck somewhere in the middle really - although I spend a good chunk of my time as a male I have a very strong female side that I need to express as well. Right now, I doubt I'd want to go any furthur than that but you can never tell in the future. I do find dressing sexy, but I've been dressing on and off now since I was about 12, so it kinda started before I began muddying the waters with a lot of sexual identity questions. However, if I am going to dress I like to look as feminine as possible. That would extend to meeting people dressed as well.

Being called Shemale or Ladyboy isn't great really - I've actually had somebody call me a Ladyboy once, just because I had long hair at the time (I wasn't even dressed when they said it either!) - and Tranny isn't wonderful either. Mind you, I've heard a lot worse - perhaps I'm just a bit too laid back about it

Sexually, I prefer cis women, unless I'm dressed in which case I tend to go for guys more, although that's not set in stone by any means. If I'm not dressed I really don't look at guys much at all.

Well ty for that clarification, and thank you for you input Natalie.
Hehe... Leave it to the dutch to be more progressively awesome than the rest of the world.

Originally Posted by Melissa Pink

Thank you for the feedback! I would definitely like to read that Swedish study. I suspect that there is some truth to the study.

I found a link to that study if you're still interested in reading it. Though it's a bit hard to follow for someone who isn't in that particular field.
http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/85/5/2034.full

I also referenced it here. http://forum.transladyboy.com/showth...580#post209580