Liberal free for all coming to an end

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

From Emerson?s quarterly earnings conference call August 2, 2011:

Emerson (NYSE: EMR) is a diversified global manufacturing and technology company. Emerson is widely recognized for its engineering capabilities and management excellence. Emerson has approximately 135,000 employees (over 34,000 in the United States) and 240 manufacturing locations worldwide. Sales are estimated to exceed $7.5 billion in 2011. Capital expenditures are estimated to be around $740 million in 2012, (about 2.7% of revenues) as announced by the Chairman and Chief Executive Officer in Emerson?s quarterly conference call today. He inferred that none of that will be invested in the United States In answering a question from and analyst he went on to passionately criticize the Obama Administration and the ?flood of regulations and taxes?.

Cap-ex plans for 2012

??in the US, they are not really addressing the ?gut? issues. There is a flood of regulations coming at us from the US. The incentive to invest in the US is negative. And from my perspective I have all the clarity I need. They?re spending. They?re taxing. Our tax rate in the US will be over 36% in the US this year. We pay actually pay the US government over $500 million in this year, and they say they want to raise it even more. I run a company. I have a lot of money to invest, but I?m not going to invest it here. And then when you have a company like Boeing, an iconic American company, gets sued by the Federal Government, if that doesn?t get your attention, nothing will. They get sued for investing $2 billion in South Carolina. Last time I saw South Carolina was part of the United States of America, and you get sued for that? I tell you what, as a CEO of a company, you got my attention. And so, from my perspective, people are very nervous about regulation. They have no idea how much healthcare cost is going to get thrown at us. And all I see is things coming at me. The new whistleblower rule, or the new commodity rule, or take a look at everything that is coming at us. You sit there and say how much can you burden companies that want to invest and create jobs? And the answer is, ?I guess it?s never ending,? because they think that we?re going to sit around and take it all. The environment [in the United States] is not very good and I think Washington does not understand how to create jobs. You know they are talking about raising taxes, getting rid of corporate planes, I mean it?s amazing, or doubling the CAF? standards, that?s going to create a lot of jobs. That?s my opinion. And we happen to control a lot of money to invest. We have over 135,000 employees and over 35,000 in the United States.?

Corporations exist to maximize profits to SHAREHOLDERS. If they could do that without making a single thing, or employing anybody who does anything that has any social value whatsoever, they would do so (look at Wall Street).

When the corporate bosses cry that they are overtaxed and overregulated, and then they get special breaks and subsidies from U.S. taxpayers, they're quick to up and leave and take jobs with them the minute they find a place where they can maximize profits for their shareholders.

Maybe we should get rid of all the regulation that hurts the poor corporations. Let's not have any standards to prevent toxic foodstuffs from being sold to retail supermarkets by agribusiness conglomerates. Let's not have a minimum wage. Let's not have requirements for safe manufacturing facilities. Let's not have any limits on what corporations can spew into the air or dump into lakes and rivers. After all, the corporations are people, too -- so says the ridiculous Citizens United ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court -- and since they have much more money than other people, why shouldn't they get all the breaks.

And if regular working people don't like it, they can move overseas just like the big corporations, right?

[Suckslut]

Originally Posted by smc

Corporations exist to maximize profits to SHAREHOLDERS. If they could do that without making a single thing, or employing anybody who does anything that has any social value whatsoever, they would do so (look at Wall Street).

When the corporate bosses cry that they are overtaxed and overregulated, and then they get special breaks and subsidies from U.S. taxpayers, they're quick to up and leave and take jobs with them the minute they find a place where they can maximize profits for their shareholders.

Maybe we should get rid of all the regulation that hurts the poor corporations. Let's not have any standards to prevent toxic foodstuffs from being sold to retail supermarkets by agribusiness conglomerates. Let's not have a minimum wage. Let's not have requirements for safe manufacturing facilities. Let's not have any limits on what corporations can spew into the air or dump into lakes and rivers. After all, the corporations are people, too -- so says the ridiculous Citizens United ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court -- and since they have much more money than other people, why shouldn't they get all the breaks.

And if regular working people don't like it, they can move overseas just like the big corporations, right?

We'll never have a free market, or eliminate tax subsidies and loopholes until we overturn Citizen's United.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Suckslut

We'll never have a free market, or eliminate tax subsidies and loopholes until we overturn Citizen's United.

You got that right, Citizen's United is a terrible ruling.

In other countries especially in Europe, corporate tax rates are very high compared to the US. They are also subject to substantial regulation, yet they are thriving. Whining by wealthy corporate executives is like a spoiled child having a tantrum when it's parent won't give it more candy.
Also, one of our graduate students father worked for Emerson. He said the exec's take huge bribes to set up a plant in a foreign company.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by randolph

Whining by wealthy corporate executives is like a spoiled child having a tantrum when it's parent won't give it more candy.

That is the very analogy I use myself often. It always amazes me how greed, selfishness, and control are not encouraged and in fact punished by parents when they encounter it in their children yet in the economic sphere they are some kind of twisted, debased high virtues.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by randolph

In other countries especially in Europe, corporate tax rates are very high compared to the US.

Technically, only Japan has a higher corporate tax rate than the US. However, we all know that many companies don't pay the statutory 35% rate thanks to the myrian number of deductions and loopholes.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

Maybe we should get rid of all the regulation that hurts the poor corporations. Let's not have any standards ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

(Do you have a serious response?)
You're talking to the wrong person.
Your arguement is with the CEO of Emerson.

How many of those 35,000 U.S. jobs will still be here in another year?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

(Do you have a serious response?)
You're talking to the wrong person.
Your arguement is with the CEO of Emerson.

How many of those 35,000 U.S. jobs will still be here in another year?

Actually, quite a few companies are moving production back here because of low taxes, cheap labor and lower shipping costs. Japanese and European car makers for example. Even China is in Central America and Mexico.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Actually, quite a few companies are moving production back here because of low taxes, cheap labor and lower shipping costs. Japanese and European car makers for example. Even China is in Central America and Mexico.

And don't forget, China is establishing a foothold in Africa as well.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

And don't forget, China is establishing a foothold in Africa as well.

Yeah, China is buying land in Africa for food production to export to China. What are the poor souls living in Africa going to do for food?
This is the kind of thing England did in Ireland, India and Africa years ago.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Yeah, China is buying land in Africa for food production to export to China. What are the poor souls living in Africa going to do for food?
This is the kind of thing England did in Ireland, India and Africa years ago.

Not just food production but resources in general. They are buying farmland, mines, oil wells and numerous other parts of the country. I wouldn't doubt that they are colonizing parts of the African continent and will become a major influence in the region.

[transjen]

Useless yes useless all this post is nothing but talking points of both parties and has changed no ones minds
So this is all useless
In the end the unsupreme court on 12/21/12 will rule 5 to 4 that Bachman is the next president sealing our fate to this
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Jerseygirl Jen

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

(Do you have a serious response?)
You're talking to the wrong person.
Your arguement is with the CEO of Emerson.

How many of those 35,000 U.S. jobs will still be here in another year?

You posted something that allowed me to make a point. My argument is with the substance of your post, and my response could not be more serious ... your mocking aside. The point is that the corporate bosses really want to eliminate everything that gets in the way of their profit-maximization. Regulations, standards, and so on are only tolerated by the corporations to the degree they are the will of the vast majority of people, either directly or by inference. Opportunities to circumvent them, including by moving elsewhere, are always entertained.