Liberal free for all coming to an end

[tslust]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Wagon Riders take note:
This is a INSULT, a KICK in the butt, a SLAP in the face, a KNIFE in the back to all of us...

Get mad and pass it on - I don't know how, but maybe some good will come of this travesty.

If the immigrant is over 65, they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than a
woman on Social Security, who worked from 1944 until 2004.

She is only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.
Each can also obtain an additional $580 in social assistance, for a total of $2,470 a month.

This compares to a single pensioner, who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement..

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees !

Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the refugees cut back to $1,012 and the pensioners up to $2,470Then we can enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

cosign

Don't forget the illegal aliens; who use our ERs (that they don't pay for), send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for), they send their kids to our hospitals (that they still don't pay for), in some states and cities they can apply for special Federal grants to send their kids to college (that, you guessed it, they don't pay for). -umm what else, oh yeah- They don't speak our language, they don't respect our laws or customs, they have no intention of assimilating into our culture.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tslust

cosign

Don't forget the illegal aliens; who use our ERs (that they don't pay for), send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for), they send their kids to our hospitals (that they still don't pay for), in some states and cities they can apply for special Federal grants to send their kids to college (that, you guessed it, they don't pay for). -umm what else, oh yeah- They don't speak our language, they don't respect our laws or customs, they have no intention of assimilating into our culture.

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

Just as protection money to keep the mafia from torching your store or breaking your kneecaps doesn't count as a business expense, taxes don't count as payment.

Just sayin...

[smc]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Just as protection money to keep the mafia from torching your store or breaking your kneecaps doesn't count as a business expense, taxes don't count as payment.

Just sayin...

Whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean, I suggest you need to lay off the crack.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

Whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean, I suggest you need to lay off the crack.

Crack is whack. What evidence do you have that supports the notion that I am in any way a drug abuser?

[Amy]

smc has totally owned this thread.

[randolph]

Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes
I've heard in all this drama about the debt ceiling:
"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC.
"You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit
of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress
are ineligible for re-election."

Three cheers for Buffy old boy!

[smc]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Crack is whack. What evidence do you have that supports the notion that I am in any way a drug abuser?

You know as well as I do that it is meant to suggest that the complete senselessness of what you wrote might (in jest) be explained by the use of mind-altering drugs. Hence the LOL emoticon.

[Suckslut]

If we adopted the fair tax, everyone would pay taxes.

Illegals have to buy stuff, as well as drug dealers and prostitutes.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

You know as well as I do that it is meant to suggest that the complete senselessness of what you wrote might (in jest) be explained by the use of mind-altering drugs. Hence the LOL emoticon.

So, being forced by an organization to pony up money under the threat of violence and then calling the the money that has been extorted as part of "paying your dues" or "taxes" or whatever you want to call it counts as a legitimate payment for goods and services? It is extortion money, plain and simple and no matter what it is used for, be it good or bad, it is still extortion money. I do not see the "senselessness" of calling a spade a spade.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by smc

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

Actually, the percentage of undocumented workers (aka, illegal aliens) who pay taxes is fairly low. A majority of them work as day laborers, which is mostly "under the table" jobs, which they pay no taxes on (I used to work those types of jobs, so I know what I'm talking about.). Those who work in jobs that take taxes out of their pay mostly use a false Social Security Number.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tslust

Actually, the percentage of undocumented workers (aka, illegal aliens) who pay taxes is fairly low. A majority of them work as day laborers, which is mostly "under the table" jobs, which they pay no taxes on (I used to work those types of jobs, so I know what I'm talking about.). Those who work in jobs that take taxes out of their pay mostly use a false Social Security Number.

Go ahead and mock my use of the accurate term "undocumented workers" in favor of your deliberately fear-mongering term "illegal alien." Go ahead and try to change the discussion by citing the use of false SSNs, which is a separate issue. Meanwhile, again, facts are facts.

The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a non-profit, non-partisan research and education organization based in Washington, D.C., has been providing tax information to state policy makers and others for years. ITEP maintains a model of state and local tax structures that allows researchers to estimate the state and local tax contributions of families at different income levels.

Here's a recent headline based on an ITEP study, followed by a link to the article. I chose this one because it points to a real fact: undocumented workers pay more in taxes than many U.S. corporations.

"Study estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero"

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._in_taxes.html

Undocumented workers obtain false SSNs precisely to get decent jobs that then require them to pay federal taxes, along with the associated Social Security and Medicare taxes, either via payroll withholding or at tax filing time via self-employment taxes. The Social Security Administration has estimated that about three-quarters of undocumented workers pay these taxes. I don't know in what universe three-quarters is a "fairly low" percentage (to use your words), but perhaps it is the same universe in which a human being is referred to as an "alien."

Oh, and by the way, these same workers who pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems are subsidizing documented workers (that includes me, and assumedly you, tslust), because they don't get to collect the benefits they paid for upon retirement.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by tslust

Don't forget the illegal aliens...send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for...

Schools are paid for with property taxes, so unless these aliens are living under bridges or in hotels, they are either directly paying the property taxes on the home they live in, or indirectly paying the property tax through the rent they pay.