Liberal free for all coming to an end

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

Whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean, I suggest you need to lay off the crack.

Crack is whack. What evidence do you have that supports the notion that I am in any way a drug abuser?

[Amy]

smc has totally owned this thread.

[randolph]

Warren Buffett, in a recent interview with CNBC, offers one of the best quotes
I've heard in all this drama about the debt ceiling:
"I could end the deficit in 5 minutes," he told CNBC.
"You just pass a law that says that anytime there is a deficit
of more than 3% of GDP, all sitting members of Congress
are ineligible for re-election."

Three cheers for Buffy old boy!

[Enoch Root]

The xenophobic quotient of the thread is now rising. I really hoped such hateful and blind garbage would not have taken root.

[smc]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Crack is whack. What evidence do you have that supports the notion that I am in any way a drug abuser?

You know as well as I do that it is meant to suggest that the complete senselessness of what you wrote might (in jest) be explained by the use of mind-altering drugs. Hence the LOL emoticon.

[Suckslut]

If we adopted the fair tax, everyone would pay taxes.

Illegals have to buy stuff, as well as drug dealers and prostitutes.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by Suckslut

If we adopted the fair tax, everyone would pay taxes.

Illegals have to buy stuff, as well as drug dealers and prostitutes.

A fair tax sounds good at first but once you really look in to it more it's another GOP FU to the poor and working poor
A fair tax will place a 30% tax on everything your phone bill cable bill rent food you name it there's that 30% or higher tax plus there will be on top of that the state tax
no thanks rule number one only a fool would trust the GOP to fix or make a fair tax system
JG J

[Suckslut]

Originally Posted by transjen

A fair tax sounds good at first but once you really look in to it more it's another GOP FU to the poor and working poor
A fair tax will place a 30% tax on everything your phone bill cable bill rent food you name it there's that 30% or higher tax plus there will be on top of that the state tax
no thanks rule number one only a fool would trust the GOP to fix or make a fair tax system
JG J

But if you read the fair tax proposal, the government will send out rebates each month to poor families.

So if the poverty rate is $12,000 per person per year, and the fair tax is 25%, the government will send the poor people $3,000 a year back.

The way I would do it is to make water, bread, milk, fruits, vegetables, rent, and all the essentials not subject to the tax.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Suckslut

But if you read the fair tax proposal, the government will send out rebates each month to poor families.

So if the poverty rate is $12,000 per person per year, and the fair tax is 25%, the government will send the poor people $3,000 a year back.

The way I would do it is to make water, bread, milk, fruits, vegetables, rent, and all the essentials not subject to the tax.

Where I live (Massachusetts, USA), water, bread, milk, fruits, vegetables, rents, and even "non-luxury" clothing are all non-taxable.

A poor person earning $12,000 a year can ill-afford an outlay of 1/4 of effective annual income then wait for it to be rebated, even if it's on a monthly basis.

In addition, such a tax serves to marginalize even further the have-nots. Imagine you are a poor family making perhaps $20,000 annually. Once each year, for one day, your family can afford a "vacation" ... say, an early-morning drive to the beach and nearby amusement park, and back that night because you can't even afford a motel room to crowd the family into. Suddenly, the cost of everything associated with that is 30% greater. The haves suffer not from this imposition; the have-nots no longer can afford this minuscule piece of what might make life living.

You have not thought through your proposal, I imagine, but I guarantee those who came up with the idea and advocate it have. They see it as another smoke-and-mirrors way of protecting the wealth and privilege of the exploiters and taking from the mass of people, who are viewed as less than human and whose existence only has meaning to the wealthy in two regards: as a source of labor (to the degree this is even needed any more, in the age of wealthmaking via electronic financial transactions based on speculation and phony money) and as a constant thorn in their side, always seeking "entitlements" and a "safety net."

If you want to see a "fair tax," let's have a 100% tax on all income over $250,000. That'll sort things out for sure. No one needs more money than that to live a decent life.

[transjen]

So how does this do away with the IRS? some one still needs to collect the tax plus issue refunds checks
Like i said it sounds nice until you sit down and really think it out
And under this system you'll be paying that high tax on every single car payment so a stanard 5 year car loan means you will pay that high tax 60 times on your new car
no thanks

[Suckslut]

First off, I never said this would do away with the IRS. What it would do is cut it by about 90% and do away with filing income taxes for about 90% of people. Plus it would eliminate all the headaches associated with different tax rates for different kinds of income (wages, rent, long term capital gains, social security, deductions, loopholes, etc).

The IRS would only have to look at forms filed by businesses in the US (say 3 million) as opposed to forms filed by almost every single citizen over 18 (say 200 million)

Second of all, you are assuming everything will be 30% more expensive than it is now. That is not true. Income taxes are already figured in to company's margins and expenses. If I'm selling a product and I want to make a $1000 profit and the taxes are 33%, I'm going to sell it for $1500 (assuming other costs are $0, which they aren't, buy I'm trying to keep this simple). Now, with a fair tax at 33% and I want to make a $1000 profit, I could sell it for $1000 (again assuming costs are $0) and the customer pays the 33% tax for a total of $1,333.


I don't trust Republicans either, but I do like this proposal. In fact Mike Gavel, former Democrat Senator for Alaska is for this.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

You know as well as I do that it is meant to suggest that the complete senselessness of what you wrote might (in jest) be explained by the use of mind-altering drugs. Hence the LOL emoticon.

So, being forced by an organization to pony up money under the threat of violence and then calling the the money that has been extorted as part of "paying your dues" or "taxes" or whatever you want to call it counts as a legitimate payment for goods and services? It is extortion money, plain and simple and no matter what it is used for, be it good or bad, it is still extortion money. I do not see the "senselessness" of calling a spade a spade.

[smc]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

So, being forced by an organization to pony up money under the threat of violence and then calling the the money that has been extorted as part of "paying your dues" or "taxes" or whatever you want to call it counts as a legitimate payment for goods and services? It is extortion money, plain and simple and no matter what it is used for, be it good or bad, it is still extortion money. I do not see the "senselessness" of calling a spade a spade.

This all started with your post that read "taxes don't count as payment" in reference to my post about undocumented workers paying taxes. "Goods and services" had nothing to do with it. Go back and read the initial post I responded to of yours, and the subsequent posts, and perhaps take a stab at telling me what the fuck you're talking about.