Liberal free for all coming to an end

[randolph]

This clip from "The Town" was played at the Republican caucus to stoke up opposition to the democrats prior to the debt cap negotiations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGxYjJ5bcv0

[smc]

Originally Posted by randolph

This clip from "The Town" was played at the Republican caucus to stoke up opposition to the democrats prior to the debt cap negotiations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGxYjJ5bcv0

I give them credit for honesty: they do hurt people.

[franalexes]

Wagon Riders take note:
This is a INSULT, a KICK in the butt, a SLAP in the face, a KNIFE in the back to all of us...

Get mad and pass it on - I don't know how, but maybe some good will come of this travesty.

If the immigrant is over 65, they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than a
woman on Social Security, who worked from 1944 until 2004.

She is only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.
Each can also obtain an additional $580 in social assistance, for a total of $2,470 a month.

This compares to a single pensioner, who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement..

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees !

Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the refugees cut back to $1,012 and the pensioners up to $2,470Then we can enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Wagon Riders take note:
This is a INSULT, a KICK in the butt, a SLAP in the face, a KNIFE in the back to all of us...

Get mad and pass it on - I don't know how, but maybe some good will come of this travesty.

If the immigrant is over 65, they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than a
woman on Social Security, who worked from 1944 until 2004.

She is only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.
Each can also obtain an additional $580 in social assistance, for a total of $2,470 a month.

This compares to a single pensioner, who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement..

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees !

Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the refugees cut back to $1,012 and the pensioners up to $2,470Then we can enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

Of course, it doesn't occur to those who support dog-eat-dog capitalism that the solution might be to reallocate federal monies so the pensioners get enough to have a full, rich retirement. It's simply a matter of priorities: don't take their money and spend it on aircraft carriers, subsidies for corporations that already make billions in profits, etc., etc., etc.

But I understand ... it just feels better to beat up on, say, a refugee.

The truth is that the United States, the richest country in the world, has the resources to make a better life for everyone in our land. But those who would consistently support the policies that go against their economic interests have been taught in our schools to be against social solidarity. It's the greatest shame of America.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Wagon Riders take note:
This is a INSULT, a KICK in the butt, a SLAP in the face, a KNIFE in the back to all of us...

Get mad and pass it on - I don't know how, but maybe some good will come of this travesty.

If the immigrant is over 65, they can apply for SSI and Medicaid and get more than a
woman on Social Security, who worked from 1944 until 2004.

She is only getting $791 per month because she was born in 1924.
It is interesting that the federal government provides a single refugee with a monthly allowance of $1,890.
Each can also obtain an additional $580 in social assistance, for a total of $2,470 a month.

This compares to a single pensioner, who after contributing to the growth and development of America for 40 to 50 years, can only receive a monthly maximum of $1,012 in old age pension and Guaranteed Income Supplement..

Maybe our pensioners should apply as refugees !

Consider sending this to all your American friends, so we can all be ticked off and maybe get the refugees cut back to $1,012 and the pensioners up to $2,470Then we can enjoy some of the money we were forced to submit to the Government over the last 40 or 50 or 60 years.

cosign

Don't forget the illegal aliens; who use our ERs (that they don't pay for), send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for), they send their kids to our hospitals (that they still don't pay for), in some states and cities they can apply for special Federal grants to send their kids to college (that, you guessed it, they don't pay for). -umm what else, oh yeah- They don't speak our language, they don't respect our laws or customs, they have no intention of assimilating into our culture.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tslust

cosign

Don't forget the illegal aliens; who use our ERs (that they don't pay for), send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for), they send their kids to our hospitals (that they still don't pay for), in some states and cities they can apply for special Federal grants to send their kids to college (that, you guessed it, they don't pay for). -umm what else, oh yeah- They don't speak our language, they don't respect our laws or customs, they have no intention of assimilating into our culture.

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by smc

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

Just as protection money to keep the mafia from torching your store or breaking your kneecaps doesn't count as a business expense, taxes don't count as payment.

Just sayin...

[smc]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Just as protection money to keep the mafia from torching your store or breaking your kneecaps doesn't count as a business expense, taxes don't count as payment.

Just sayin...

Whatever the fuck this is supposed to mean, I suggest you need to lay off the crack.

[tslust]

Originally Posted by smc

Most undocumented workers pay taxes. Facts have a nasty habit of getting in the way of xenophobic vitriol.

Actually, the percentage of undocumented workers (aka, illegal aliens) who pay taxes is fairly low. A majority of them work as day laborers, which is mostly "under the table" jobs, which they pay no taxes on (I used to work those types of jobs, so I know what I'm talking about.). Those who work in jobs that take taxes out of their pay mostly use a false Social Security Number.

[smc]

Originally Posted by tslust

Actually, the percentage of undocumented workers (aka, illegal aliens) who pay taxes is fairly low. A majority of them work as day laborers, which is mostly "under the table" jobs, which they pay no taxes on (I used to work those types of jobs, so I know what I'm talking about.). Those who work in jobs that take taxes out of their pay mostly use a false Social Security Number.

Go ahead and mock my use of the accurate term "undocumented workers" in favor of your deliberately fear-mongering term "illegal alien." Go ahead and try to change the discussion by citing the use of false SSNs, which is a separate issue. Meanwhile, again, facts are facts.

The Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), a non-profit, non-partisan research and education organization based in Washington, D.C., has been providing tax information to state policy makers and others for years. ITEP maintains a model of state and local tax structures that allows researchers to estimate the state and local tax contributions of families at different income levels.

Here's a recent headline based on an ITEP study, followed by a link to the article. I chose this one because it points to a real fact: undocumented workers pay more in taxes than many U.S. corporations.

"Study estimates that illegal immigrants paid $11.2B in taxes last year, unlike GE, which paid zero"

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._in_taxes.html

Undocumented workers obtain false SSNs precisely to get decent jobs that then require them to pay federal taxes, along with the associated Social Security and Medicare taxes, either via payroll withholding or at tax filing time via self-employment taxes. The Social Security Administration has estimated that about three-quarters of undocumented workers pay these taxes. I don't know in what universe three-quarters is a "fairly low" percentage (to use your words), but perhaps it is the same universe in which a human being is referred to as an "alien."

Oh, and by the way, these same workers who pay into the Social Security and Medicare systems are subsidizing documented workers (that includes me, and assumedly you, tslust), because they don't get to collect the benefits they paid for upon retirement.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by tslust

Don't forget the illegal aliens...send their kids to our schools (that they don't pay for...

Schools are paid for with property taxes, so unless these aliens are living under bridges or in hotels, they are either directly paying the property taxes on the home they live in, or indirectly paying the property tax through the rent they pay.