Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

Observe this graph:

You will notice that there is a nice downward progression from the war for both republicans and democrats until the mighty moron Reagan arrives and from that day on, Republicans have embraced his broken economic idiocy.

Let's add one more year to that and see where Obama is taking us. And I'm not sure where your graph came from, but this one seems a little different. It does not go down during the clinton years, and this graph shows that there's been a rise since at least the 1870s except for the period between the 1930s and 1950s.

[randolph]

Since we are in graphing mode , here is a comparison, if Regan and Bush had kept debt under control..

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Let's add one more year to that and see where Obama is taking us. And I'm not sure where your graph came from, but this one seems a little different. It does not go down during the clinton years, and this graph shows that there's been a rise since at least the 1870s except for the period between the 1930s and 1950s.

Stop blaming Obama. Note the year on the second to last red dot says "2003". Bush's second term hadn't kicked in yet, so keep going higher and that's all Bush and then like a last tiny sliver counts as Obama, as marked "2009".

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Stop blaming Obama. Note the year on the second to last red dot says "2003". Bush's second term hadn't kicked in yet, so keep going higher and that's all Bush and then like a last tiny sliver counts as Obama, as marked "2009".

I blame Obama for the trillions he spent as president, decimating high tech jobs, passing Obamacare, and generally ignoring the wishes of the majority of Americans. There is more of course, but I'm busy with the freebies section.

And btw... THE CAKE IS A LIE!

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I blame Obama for the trillions he spent as president, decimating high tech jobs, passing Obamacare, and generally ignoring the wishes of the majority of Americans. There is more of course, but I'm busy with the freebies section.

And btw... THE CAKE IS A LIE!

The cake is NOW a lie cuz I ated it like two weeks ago. But it wasn't a lie at the time I posted that blog. YUMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

As stated before though, many times, Obama has only spent like ~$1.5 trillion and that's from ongoing wars started by Bush, while I agree Afghanistan was necessary but totally failed in planning, Iraq was total horseshit Bush's personal agenda and also then the bailouts, which we shouldn't have bailed out those banks, let them fail and take them over under government authority. Also "Obamacare" actually will save money in the long run, as also pointed out in earlier posts.

Also it is one of the most helpful pieces of legislation passed by him, regardless of cost, to protect people from corporate corruption. If it wasn't for Obama's healthcare bill, I wouldn't have health coverage right now. I will be able to stay on my mom's insurance provider for another two years because of the extension he passed, otherwise I'd be paying for not just my doctor, hospital and dentist visits but my transition too out of pocket. There's a shitload of other things that bill did to secure people's equal right to receive treatment.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

As stated before though, many times, Obama has only spent like ~$1.5 trillion and that's from ongoing wars started by Bush

Yes, SOME of that was from the Iraq war, but let's not forget that Obama's stimulous package cost more than 8 years of war.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

and also then the bailouts, which we shouldn't have bailed out those banks, let them fail and take them over under government authority.

I agree, we should have let them fail.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Also "Obamacare" actually will save money in the long run, as also pointed out in earlier posts.

That's nice. The CBO says otherwise. They say by 2019 it will raise deficits $226 billion/year.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Also it is one of the most helpful pieces of legislation passed by him, regardless of cost, to protect people from corporate corruption. If it wasn't for Obama's healthcare bill, I wouldn't have health coverage right now.

Yeah, but federal courts have declared it unconstitutional. I won't deny it would be great for everyone to get health coverage. It would also be great if the government would buy us all houses and cars. The problem is we can't afford it and if the rest of the world isn't having 2nd thoughts about whether we can repay our debt, they sure should be having doubts now.

[smc]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Stop blaming Obama. Note the year on the second to last red dot says "2003". Bush's second term hadn't kicked in yet, so keep going higher and that's all Bush and then like a last tiny sliver counts as Obama, as marked "2009".

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I blame Obama for the trillions he spent as president, decimating high tech jobs, passing Obamacare, and generally ignoring the wishes of the majority of Americans. There is more of course, but I'm busy with the freebies section.

Thank you to Tracy Coxx for providing such a vivid lesson in dissembling the truth. Tracy Coxx has been called out on specific claims regarding how much of the deficit is Obama's "fault." Called on the lie, Tracy Coxx tries to divert your attention away from the actual numbers, because Tracy Coxx cannot justify the hyperbolic bullshit that is the substance of the claim. So, Tracy Coxx tries to shift the goalpost from the dollar figure to something else.

Kudos to Kaiti for joining the chorus calling out the deliberate misrepresentations of Tracy Coxx.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by smc

Thank you to Tracy Coxx for providing such a vivid lesson in dissembling the truth. Tracy Coxx has been called out on specific claims regarding how much of the deficit is Obama's "fault." Called on the lie, Tracy Coxx tries to divert your attention away from the actual numbers, because Tracy Coxx cannot justify the hyperbolic bullshit that is the substance of the claim. So, Tracy Coxx tries to shift the goalpost from the dollar figure to something else.

Kudos to Kaiti for joining the chorus calling out the deliberate misrepresentations of Tracy Coxx.

I for one would like to hear from Tracy how Obama has decimated high tech jobs. Also, I wonder now as I have often wondered in the past, is the idea of universal healthcare (which I'm pretty sure is not what the Democrats passed) really so anathema to the American population.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I for one would like to hear from Tracy how Obama has decimated high tech jobs. Also, I wonder now as I have often wondered in the past, is the idea of universal healthcare (which I'm pretty sure is not what the Democrats passed) really so anathema to the American population.

After letting the shuttle retire without a follow on plan an estimated 30-50,000 high tech jobs will be lost. As for the 2nd part of your post, Obamacare was one of the main reasons the democrats got routed in the 2010 elections.

[guy4u300]

Gee wasn't TARP a Bush plan ? didn't Reagan spend shitloads of money while being in a peacetime economy ? just before 911 Ronald Dumbsfeld I mean Donald Rumsfeld annomced the two that right two TRILLION was missing from the PENTAGON BUDGET ???? Believe me the Republicans are the biggest spenders an could give a shit about you or I we could have had a NADER but we got a SELECTION INSTEAD OF A ELECTION IN 2000 . CASE CLOSED.

Originally Posted by smc

Thank you to Tracy Coxx for providing such a vivid lesson in dissembling the truth. Tracy Coxx has been called out on specific claims regarding how much of the deficit is Obama's "fault." Called on the lie, Tracy Coxx tries to divert your attention away from the actual numbers, because Tracy Coxx cannot justify the hyperbolic bullshit that is the substance of the claim. So, Tracy Coxx tries to shift the goalpost from the dollar figure to something else.

Kudos to Kaiti for joining the chorus calling out the deliberate misrepresentations of Tracy Coxx.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by ila

Except that under Clinton it went up before reducing slightly and under Obama it has gone up.

Debt was rising when Clinton comes into power, Clinton slows the rise then reverses it, you can't expect an upward trend to be reversed instantly, as rapid spending cuts lead economic contraction, ditto rapid tax increases. With Obama, well, his dick and ball fell off so he's just letting his economic policies be written by republicans, he already let them make the decision on tax cuts for the rich, and continue fighting the wars they started, and he just let them write the next move in his economic policies, so if it continues we'll just put Obama down as the latest (secret) republican to follow Regan.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Let's add one more year to that and see where Obama is taking us. And I'm not sure where your graph came from, but this one seems a little different. It does not go down during the clinton years, and this graph shows that there's been a rise since at least the 1870s except for the period between the 1930s and 1950s.

Difference between your graph and mine is simple. Mine correlates to what we were actually discussing, government debt. Note yours says total debt, mine says federal debt, yours includes private debts. This new graph will explain the difference, note that it is a stacked graph, you want t be looking at the thickness of the bands here..

[ila]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

...With Obama, well, his dick and ball fell off so he's just letting his economic policies be written by republicans, he already let them make the decision on tax cuts for the rich, and continue fighting the wars they started, and he just let them write the next move in his economic policies, so if it continues we'll just put Obama down as the latest (secret) republican to follow Regan...

That's quite funny, Anna, and also true.