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[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

However, I must point out that guns do not commit crimes. People do. If we banned guns in America crime rates would not drop significantly. People would just use other weapons to use in the commission of a crime.

Ogryn

Maybe guns don't do the crime... but they sure as shit make it a lot easier... I doubt that the good old bow and arrow would result in the same degree of killings. But alas, I hear you, brother. The problem is not in the weapons alone... it is in American culture, one of the most violent the world has ever witnessed.

And obviously that makes me feel superiour - not in a militaristic sense of the term, but in the concept of being a developed human being. Regarding violence most non-Americans can feel superiour. American history is one of violence - the good old American dream is based on aggressiveness. Unfortunately, this MINDSET of "every man's right to make his OWN way in which ever way possible" is still deeply rooted in your post-Columbus culture.

Now, that said (as I find it a bit outta place at this forum), I am, indeed, a big friend of America - and I've had the privilege of living there for a part of my life. Also America has twice in the last century shown great solidarity and come to a very needed rescue of European existence and culture. But now I'm really getting ahead of myself here :-)

I appreciate your point of view even though I disagree with the core logic of it. But rest assured, I won't challenge you to a gun-duel ;-) No, rather I may challenge you to a good night out among the ladyboys... then maybe we can use "the good guns" in stead... yippee ay yeah!

Peace!

Hank

[hankhavelock]

Why are yawl so afraid to show your pretty faces? Mother ain't reading this fine forum anyways ;-)

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[Ogryn1313]

Man, just because a nation might ban guns and is less violent makes nobody superior. People are the same wherever you may go I've come to see. Look at me. I love my guns. I enjoy shooting them and blasting apart things like old tv sets, computer pieces, whatever. Yeah, that's aggressive and destructive. But you know what? I've never shot an animal. I've never shot nor want to shoot a human. So you're no better than me.
And take away the guns the criminals will use other weapons. And the bow and arrow actually inflicts more trauma than most guns. If it can be used to hurt another the criminals will use it. Personally, I'd hate to see America become Europeanized. There's much about the culture in Europe that can be considered not good. Take the French, steadily becoming an entitlement based society of lazy assed whiners. You know, they have a law there that allows someone not to be fired for any reason for the first year or two of employment?
As for the ladyboys...maybe some of them wouldn't mind getting in a little target practice with this unevolved and inferior American. And after that a bit of target practice with our non lethal guns.

lol we're doing everything so wrong, we're so inferior to everyone.. yet we're the strongest nation in the world.

anyway this is a site for shemales don't forget hehe. we can all unite in that common love!

[eliogabalo]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Man, just because a nation might ban guns and is less violent makes nobody superior. People are the same wherever you may go I've come to see. Look at me. I love my guns. I enjoy shooting them and blasting apart things like old tv sets, computer pieces, whatever. Yeah, that's aggressive and destructive. But you know what? I've never shot an animal. I've never shot nor want to shoot a human. So you're no better than me.
And take away the guns the criminals will use other weapons. And the bow and arrow actually inflicts more trauma than most guns. If it can be used to hurt another the criminals will use it. Personally, I'd hate to see America become Europeanized. There's much about the culture in Europe that can be considered not good. Take the French, steadily becoming an entitlement based society of lazy assed whiners. You know, they have a law there that allows someone not to be fired for any reason for the first year or two of employment?
As for the ladyboys...maybe some of them wouldn't mind getting in a little target practice with this unevolved and inferior American. And after that a bit of target practice with our non lethal guns.

You hate to see America become Europeanized ... It's very strange ... We in Europe have the feeling we ar Americanizated...
Why so acrimonious ? I'm italian, but the French, with its wonderful art and culture, is the most stunning nation in the world.
Down with Nationalism!

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by eliogabalo

You hate to see America become Europeanized ... It's very strange ... We in Europe have the feeling we ar Americanizated...
Why so acrimonious ? I'm italian, but the French, with its wonderful art and culture, is the most stunning nation in the world.
Down with Nationalism!

We really should ask the moderator to set up a place to discuss off-topic issues.

Your point is very interesting.

Primarily the fascination of America in the rest of the world is shallow and uninformed - as, indeed, American culture is as well in many regards (but certainly not all). But America has been considerably more succesful in exporting Coca Cola, hamburgers and entertaining movies than anything else. Which, of course, in many regards gives a very distorted picture of America as a carefree nation where every thing is light and easy.

But it takes two to tango and the blame is as well on us. And it also means that we sometimes miss the point of what the "true" America really is - with all its flaws and all its wonders.

With the current administration it's VERY hard to credibly "export" American moral and political values - because these original values are under severe attack in America itself right now.

But, tomorrow will come :-) If you watch history America has the track-record in inconsistency... but some how she always lands on her feet AND on the side of "good".

And the best thing is that we can HAVE these discussions... which is not least due to American intervention when it REALLY mattered!

Peace!

Hank

[hankhavelock]

Just for your info, I messaged the administrator and asked if we can set up an extra thread for off-topic issues.

The fact is that we meet here, start discussing here and better stay here. On the other hand, the current and interesting political debate is not at all relevant to the topic of this forum, so I'm afraid we'll ruin the debate.

What do you think?

Hank

[eliogabalo]

This issue is very complicated. Many Europeans feel annoyed because the Americans think they are the "standard-bearers" of freedom, democracy and civil rights in the world. This fact, from our point of view, is a sort of embezzlement. You see; i live in Florence, the city in wich, in the year 1786, Pietro Leopoldo di Lorena abolished the Death Sentence. When i think that in the USA the Death Sentence is still a sad reality, i find very hard to understand the american attitude. The same thing can be said for the second world war. Apart the issue of the political and economic interests of the USA in the war, the american contribution was very important. But the contribution of England and, above all, of the Soviet Union ( 20 millions of Russians dead fighting against Hitler !!), was really huge.
We admire the USA very much and feel very attracted by their fascinating culture based on freedom and individualism. Nevertheless, we have the feeling the Americans take the credit for everything is happened in the modern history ...

[mykel73]

Originally Posted by eliogabalo

This issue is very complicated. Many Europeans feel annoyed because the Americans think they are the "standard-bearers" of freedom, democracy and civil rights in the world. This fact, from our point of view, is a sort of embezzlement. You see; i live in Florence, the city in wich, in the year 1786, Pietro Leopoldo di Lorena abolished the Death Sentence. When i think that in the USA the Death Sentence is still a sad reality, i find very hard to understand the american attitude. The same thing can be said for the second world war. Apart the issue of the political and economic interests of the USA in the war, the american contribution was very important. But the contribution of England and, above all, of the Soviet Union ( 20 millions of Russians dead fighting against Hitler !!), was really huge.
We admire the USA very much and feel very attracted by their fascinating culture based on freedom and individualism. Nevertheless, we have the feeling the Americans take the credit for everything is happened in the modern history ...

You have a very good point, and maybe it's the way I way brought up but I have always told my friends that they need to remember that we (other Americans and I) are not the only nation out there. We where never meant to be the peace keepers of the world. That is why we have the UN, and we have no right to tell another nation how to govern them selves when we are so divided at home. I love my Country but sometimes we can be full of our selves and I'm ashamed of that fact.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by Ogryn1313

Man, just because a nation might ban guns and is less violent makes nobody superior. People are the same wherever you may go I've come to see. Look at me. I love my guns. I enjoy shooting them and blasting apart things like old tv sets, computer pieces, whatever. Yeah, that's aggressive and destructive. But you know what? I've never shot an animal. I've never shot nor want to shoot a human. So you're no better than me.
And take away the guns the criminals will use other weapons. And the bow and arrow actually inflicts more trauma than most guns. If it can be used to hurt another the criminals will use it. Personally, I'd hate to see America become Europeanized. There's much about the culture in Europe that can be considered not good. Take the French, steadily becoming an entitlement based society of lazy assed whiners. You know, they have a law there that allows someone not to be fired for any reason for the first year or two of employment?
As for the ladyboys...maybe some of them wouldn't mind getting in a little target practice with this unevolved and inferior American. And after that a bit of target practice with our non lethal guns.

My famous last words in this particular debate:

Just consider this... America is a country at war, at present in two different countries. None the less, "the main killers of Americans" (I'd believe that's the type of vulgar phrasing your current disaster of a president would use in public) are NOT foreign enemy soldiers - nope, they are not even close to your very own, armed-to-the-teeth, fellow Americans!

And you guys don't primarily kill each other only using swords and daggers... right?

Now, I'm certain the logic of this argument will pass miles above your head, but just give it a little thought... and NOW I rest my case.

Peace, my brother - and lighten up a little, will ya?!

Hankypanky

[sesame]

And obviously that makes me feel superiour - not in a militaristic sense of the term, but in the concept of being a developed human being

To be proud of being peaceful is indeed very cool.
But my dear Hank,

The problem is not in the weapons alone... it is in American culture, one of the most violent the world has ever witnessed

Please show some respect for someone's Nationality. Dont thrash America so much; It will hurt some hearts right on.
Peace

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Hey Hank!

You look even younger and cooler than I first imagined. Don't get insulted or anythin', but all these new pictures are an improvement over your original forum avatar. Groovy, baby.

Your words, too ..... awesome writing. America is a land of extremes -- wealth, education, technology, morals .... you name it. That's why one should always moderate their criticism with praise (and vice versa). As for Bush: well, the guy comes across as a complete dunderhead at times, but there is also this to consider: he's the first president to come *into* power at the true dawn of the Internet and the Information Age. We're being a lot more critical of people -- often, superficially so, without knowing all the facts -- than a decade ago. I've also seen videos of Bush being charismatic, intelligent and holding his own against some pretty vocal anti-Bush people. And I don't disagree with all his policies, either. Iraq is the fulcrum. It has changed everything. Unfortunately, it wouldn't have been any different under Clinton or a Democrat administration. Clinton even said in a recent interview that he'd have gone for Saddam as Bush did, but that he'd have gotten UN approval first (easy to say that, especially when he wasn't in the driving seat and could make himself look good by posing a more favourable scenario in retrospect). Worst president ever? That's a tough one. I wouldn't like to say. I'd probably give it to Truman for dropping TWO A-Bombs. But that was a very awkward situation.

ANYWAY . . .

I'm choosing not to post a picture at present. Gotta agree with the other abstainers, even if I don't particularly like myself for choosing not to post. To refer back to my words above, this is the Information Age. You never know what may happen. I've already had some bad experience in this area. I'm not thrilled at the possibility of a Round Two.

[BlueRaven88]

my most recent pic i've taken is my current avatar

[miss-aligned]

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if too much you tell me,...

[marlowe]

Originally Posted by miss-aligned

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if too much you tell me,...

I like the last pic. Interesting composition.

I have a question. A cock ring, mid cock? How does that work?

[miss-aligned]

Originally Posted by marlowe

I like the last pic. Interesting composition.

I have a question. A cock ring, mid cock? How does that work?

thanks to you... my ring, i like rings, i like jewelry and all these things.

i like to tie leather strap around my girl cock and balls and where it all day,

the ring is for pretty, .. i hope it makes pretty it can hurt if i don't move it when my boyfriend get me hard.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by TheSkronkDonkey

Hey Hank!

You look even younger and cooler than I first imagined. Don't get insulted or anythin', but all these new pictures are an improvement over your original forum avatar. Groovy, baby.

Your words, too ..... awesome writing. America is a land of extremes -- wealth, education, technology, morals .... you name it. That's why one should always moderate their criticism with praise (and vice versa). As for Bush: well, the guy comes across as a complete dunderhead at times, but there is also this to consider: he's the first president to come *into* power at the true dawn of the Internet and the Information Age. We're being a lot more critical of people -- often, superficially so, without knowing all the facts -- than a decade ago. I've also seen videos of Bush being charismatic, intelligent and holding his own against some pretty vocal anti-Bush people. And I don't disagree with all his policies, either. Iraq is the fulcrum. It has changed everything. Unfortunately, it wouldn't have been any different under Clinton or a Democrat administration. Clinton even said in a recent interview that he'd have gone for Saddam as Bush did, but that he'd have gotten UN approval first (easy to say that, especially when he wasn't in the driving seat and could make himself look good by posing a more favourable scenario in retrospect). Worst president ever? That's a tough one. I wouldn't like to say. I'd probably give it to Truman for dropping TWO A-Bombs. But that was a very awkward situation.

ANYWAY . . .

I'm choosing not to post a picture at present. Gotta agree with the other abstainers, even if I don't particularly like myself for choosing not to post. To refer back to my words above, this is the Information Age. You never know what may happen. I've already had some bad experience in this area. I'm not thrilled at the possibility of a Round Two.

Thanks a lot - that's kind of you to say... unfortunately I mixed up left and right, so that may make you change your opinion of my pic here :-)

And regarding the presidency, there is, obviously, only one true answer to that: Barack Obama! This election seems to have reached Kennedy-heights (at least as I understand that it was back then) and is amazing. He's the right man for the position right now. Actually as good old Ronald Reagan was in his time. I'm ultra liberal (of course, I'm Danish :-), but I always liked Reagan - and in the end he put a stop to the nasty cold war by his own persistence

Barack can do the same. He can bring hope to a world that is severily disillusioned by 8 year's of insane right wing, neo conservative foreign policy. If you guys actually go ahead and vote in Mccain, all the rest of the world (except for the hard-liner Western European countries who'll obediently suck any American president's dick) will turn away with shaking heads.

I personally believe that the choice of the American president should be a matter for the whole wide world - you guys have simply become so powerful (and that's not bad at all, btw - as long as you can handle it prudently, which has sadly not been the case for the last 8 years).

When George Bush arrogantly claimed that you're either for HIM or against America he really overstepped the line of decency and showed his view of both the world and his own country. He's a modern-day McCarthy misusing socalled "patriotism" to put fear into people. And that's dangerous! These right-wingers HATE anything they'll immediately call "abnormal" - such as gays, transsexuals and other "freaks of nature" who don't conform to their traditionalist view of a "good, great, all-American, MORAL" world-view.

They are dinosaurs - fossils of a 1950's outlook on life - just listen to a station like Fox News - this nest of ultra right wing propaganda which they claim to be news.

Nope, I hope America can return to the good old values of your wise forefathers who set standards that George Bush has severily jeopardized in his caesarian view of himself and his nasty administration. "First we send McDonald's - then we send the marines..."

So I'm sorry, I really don't think George Bush has done neither America nor the rest of the world a favour - he proved to be even worse than what could reasonably be feared at his start as president.

Just my views!

Peace!

Hank

[crazybob03]

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[richfun]

Originally Posted by crazybob03

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[richfun]

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[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by sesame

To be proud of being peaceful is indeed very cool.
But my dear Hank,

Please show some respect for someone's Nationality. Dont thrash America so much; It will hurt some hearts right on.
Peace

Maybe I was outta line in my last phrasing - it's not my intention to step on toes - point taken, Sesame!

How ever, George Bush has actually succeeded in putting fear into people for criticizing his policies. And that is shameful!

I love America - my parents lived there and I've lived there, and I've always been a staunch defender of American foreign policy. But George Bush betrayed that. He made it impossible any longer to stand up for America - at least you had to make it very clear that American values were being mutilated by the current administration.

Enough of this... back to other topics :-)

Barack!

Peace!

Hank