Liberal free for all coming to an end

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

And you forgot to mention: ...

The difference between the Clinton-era statements on Iraq and the ones from the Bush Administration are obvious. Tracy Coxx, though -- as is typical -- conveniently ignores this in Tracy Coxx's usual way. Instead of responding to the charge of Bush lies, Tracy posts things to divert attention away from what Jen raised.

Unfortunately for Tracy, as has been demonstrated time and again on this site, the truth has a nasty habit of not going away. Fortunately for Tracy, the anonymity of the Internet affords the opportunity to ignore the truth and just keep spewing bullshit without ever having to face (literally) anyone else in the discussion. So, unlike what might happen in a school setting, where this kind of crap would be put to rest pretty quickly, we have to give up bandwidth for more of Tracy's prevarication and not-so-clever diversions.

A LIE:

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

The above is the famous Judith Miller baloney that was debunked.

A LIE:

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

The CIA had already told Bush this wasn't true, but he said it anyway.

A LIE:

"[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

While intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early 1990s, they never found any proof of an ongoing relationship. Language was "tweaked" so Bush and Tenet could present a lie.

A LIE: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts -- including a report from the State Department's intelligence wing -- declared to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.

Shall I go on? There are upwards of 200-plus lies that have been documented about Iraq by the Bush Administration.

[randolph]

Bush and his buddies could be considered consequentialists. That is, they believed, "the end justifies the means". It is OK to lie, distort, kill, cheat, whatever, in order to achieve the desired objective. In this case, it was the removal of Saddam and the achievement of economic control over Iraq.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by randolph

Bush and his buddies could be considered consequentialists. That is, they believed, "the end justifies the means". It is OK to lie, distort, kill, cheat, whatever, in order to achieve the desired objective. In this case, it was the removal of Saddam and the achievement of economic control over Iraq.

And let's not forget that the Clinton administration wanted inspections whereas Bush wanted to go in no matter the cost--how many people have been killed by American bullets? Colin Powell was sent to the UN with bullshit photos. And when all this shit (and more!) hit the fan and the lie was exposed they hid it.

You know, I'd love to read Tracy's response to smc's post. Because a) she seems curiously silent about it (which it appears to me she often does rather than admit she was wrong) and b) because her use of Clinton era quotes appears to me to be the typical juvenile response to challenges of "the other guy did it too." Reminds me of the religious saying scientists have their own myth in the form of evolution, which is tantamount to the religious saying "see, they're just as stupid as we are."

[transjen]

As the GOP controled house are hard at work demanding budget cuts ie the working poor and demanding lower taxes for the rich and cutting taxes on corparations who are so over taxed like poor GE who made over 5 billion in profit and will not be paying one red cent in taxes
So someone tell me what's wrong with this picture
face it folks we go double from the GOP and there trickle down encomny, GE making billions a year in profits and not paying taxes is Reaganomics showing it's ugly head
Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

As the GOP controled house are hard at work demanding budget cuts ie the working poor and demanding lower taxes for the rich and cutting taxes on corparations who are so over taxed like poor GE who made over 5 billion in profit and will not be paying one red cent in taxes
So someone tell me what's wrong with this picture
face it folks we go double from the GOP and there trickle down encomny, GE making billions a year in profits and not paying taxes is Reaganomics showing it's ugly head
Jerseygirl Jen

As the old saying goes, "We are being screwed glued and tattooed"

[transjen]

Well today Paul Ryan of the GOP gave his verson of the 2012 budget and i give him credit as he seems very serious about doing away with the red ink but thats where the credit ends as this budget is another GOP FU TO THE COMMON PERSON as once agian the GOP are showing who they really care about cutting trillions of dollars but cuting medicare and medicade and planed parents but giveing the top tax bracket another tax cut going with the GOP'S ideals that the rich shall not pay any of the national debit nor shall they sufer from any planed cuts and corpate welfare will also not sufer so the oil companies can rest easy and will recive billions from the goverment and the working poor will get to pay the tab and sufer from the cuts
looks like the 2012 budget is another big from the GOP as the continue to only be looking out for the rich and big bussiness and give the rest of us the BS about trickle down
Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Well today Paul Ryan of the GOP gave his verson of the 2012 budget and i give him credit as he seems very serious about doing away with the red ink but thats where the credit ends as this budget is another GOP FU TO THE COMMON PERSON as once agian the GOP are showing who they really care about cutting trillions of dollars but cuting medicare and medicade and planed parents but giveing the top tax bracket another tax cut going with the GOP'S ideals that the rich shall not pay any of the national debit nor shall they sufer from any planed cuts and corpate welfare will also not sufer so the oil companies can rest easy and will recive billions from the goverment and the working poor will get to pay the tab and sufer from the cuts
looks like the 2012 budget is another big from the GOP as the continue to only be looking out for the rich and big bussiness and give the rest of us the BS about trickle down
Jerseygirl Jen

Don't worry Jen, the money saved is going to a good cause, the military. It will enable the military to bomb more countries with multimillion dollar bombs. You see, we are trying to protect the world from suicide bombers that kill themselves and other people. Our bombs are good bombs, they usually just kill bad guys. That's why they are so expensive.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Well today Paul Ryan of the GOP gave his verson of the 2012 budget and i give him credit as he seems very serious about doing away with the red ink but thats where the credit ends as this budget is another GOP FU TO THE COMMON PERSON as once agian the GOP are showing who they really care about cutting trillions of dollars but cuting medicare and medicade and planed parents but giveing the top tax bracket another tax cut going with the GOP'S ideals that the rich shall not pay any of the national debit nor shall they sufer from any planed cuts and corpate welfare will also not sufer so the oil companies can rest easy and will recive billions from the goverment and the working poor will get to pay the tab and sufer from the cuts
looks like the 2012 budget is another big from the GOP as the continue to only be looking out for the rich and big bussiness and give the rest of us the BS about trickle down
Jerseygirl Jen

Yes, there are some rich who find so many tax breaks that they don't have to pay taxes at all. Like GE.

BTW, have you seen how close GE is with the BO administration? First, there?s the policy overlap: Obama wants cap-and-trade, GE wants cap-and-trade. Obama subsidizes embryonic stem-cell research, GE launches an embryonic stem-cell business. Obama calls for rail subsidies, GE hires Linda Daschle as a rail lobbyist. Obama gives a speeech, GE employee Chris Matthews feels a thrill up his leg.

And then, none other than GE's CEO Jeff Immelt sits on the President?s Economic Recovery Advisory board.

But I digress... About the rich, and this is from FactCheck.
"The top 1 percent of all households got 18 percent of all personal income and paid nearly 28 percent of all federal taxes in 2005, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The top 1 percent now pay a significantly larger share of taxes than before President Bush's tax cuts, and also have a larger share of income."

Do you see that Jen? Comprehend that. The top 1% paid 28% of all federal taxes. How much percent of all federal taxes is your tax bracket paying Jen?

And another question. The US debt is a result of the government digging itself into a hole. Tell me, why is it the rich's responsibility to bail them out? The government didn't have to budget more than they bring in, but yet they did. Why is that? The government didn't have to take us off the gold standard in exchange for importing goods from China, Japan and other countries, and yet they did (which took business away from US companies, aka 'the rich'). Why is that? It is one stupid move by the government after another that put us in debt like we are. Tell me: WHAT RIGHT DOES THE GOVERNMENT HAVE TO TAKE MONEY FROM THE RICH, OR ANYONE ELSE TO FIX THE MESS THEY MADE?