Liberal free for all coming to an end

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Tax cuts for the rich.

Now come on Randolph just listen to the GOP they claim it's vital for the rich to get all the cuts as they create the jobs

So why is unemployment at an all time high?
There tried answer is blame the Dems and to fix everything is simple just keep cutting taxes for the rich
Oh by the way the reason the goverment is bankrupt is because of intitlements not W's two wars and the massive joblosses durning W's eight years
Oh don't forget that's it the UNIONS fault that a lot of states are now in the red
So we now have the cry cut taxes for the rich end entitlements and destroy all unions and everything will be great
in others words Reagenonic round 3 so all the non rich just bend over while the GOP does it agian and we get
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh by the way the reason the goverment is bankrupt is because of intitlements not W's two wars and the massive joblosses durning W's eight years
Oh don't forget that's it the UNIONS fault that a lot of states are now in the red
So we now have the cry cut taxes for the rich end entitlements and destroy all unions and everything will be great

Listen to this girl Randolf, she's pretty smart. Just a couple of things though Jen, you can probably call Gulf War II Bush's war, even though both houses voted for it, and it had unanimous support in the UN, but you're calling the Afghanistan war Bush's war? Didn't Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have something to do with that? And I would hardly characterize an average 5% unemployment rate during Bush's terms as massive joblosses. It's the best unemployment rate since the late 60s.

[smc]

Originally Posted by transjen

Now come on Randolph just listen to the GOP they claim it's vital for the rich to get all the cuts as they create the jobs

So why is unemployment at an all time high?
There tried answer is blame the Dems and to fix everything is simple just keep cutting taxes for the rich
Oh by the way the reason the goverment is bankrupt is because of intitlements not W's two wars and the massive joblosses durning W's eight years
Oh don't forget that's it the UNIONS fault that a lot of states are now in the red
So we now have the cry cut taxes for the rich end entitlements and destroy all unions and everything will be great
in others words Reagenonic round 3 so all the non rich just bend over while the GOP does it agian and we get
Jerseygirl Jen

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Listen to this girl Randolf, she's pretty smart. Just a couple of things though Jen, you can probably call Gulf War II Bush's war, even though both houses voted for it, and it had unanimous support in the UN, but you're calling the Afghanistan war Bush's war? Didn't Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have something to do with that? And I would hardly characterize an average 5% unemployment rate during Bush's terms as massive joblosses. It's the best unemployment rate since the late 60s.

Jen is being sarcastic. But you are right about one thing, Tracy: "She's pretty smart." In fact, smart enough to make you look the exact opposite.

[randolph]

OK Here is a proposal.
Fran, Jen, Tracy, SMC and Randolph get together at a Southie bar in Boston for libations and political discussion.
Fran would take bets on who would get thrown out of the bar first.

[smc]

Originally Posted by randolph

OK Here is a proposal.
Fran, Jen, Tracy, SMC and Randolph get together at a Southie bar in Boston for libations and political discussion.
Fran would take bets on who would get thrown out of the bar first.

Is the point to be thrown out of the bar? Where's the fun in that?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by smc

Is the point to be thrown out of the bar? Where's the fun in that?

Oh well, my attempts at a little humor have failed again.

[smc]

Originally Posted by randolph

Oh well, my attempts at a little humor have failed again.

My god, did you think I was being serious? I was asking "tongue-in-cheek."

In any case, were the point to be thrown out of the bar first, I assure you that I know the buttons to push in Southie that would win me the "honors." However, I would prefer to lose so I could stay in the bar and get shitfaced.

[transjen]

[QUOTE=TracyCoxx;179191lf War II Bush's war, even though both houses voted for it, and it had unanimous support in the UN, but you're calling the Afghanistan war Bush's war? Didn't Bin Laden and Al Qaeda have something to do with that? And I would hardly characterize an average 5% unemployment rate during Bush's terms as massive joblosses. It's the best unemployment rate since the late 60s.[/QUOTE]



You forgot to mention that W and his crew lied there A$$ES of to both houses
and your average 5% is another shellgame played on the public from the liar W you forget that he was always calling up the reserves to go fight so they left there jobs to go fight creating a ton of temp jobs taking people of the unemployment line and W as usual lied at the numbers and FOX news helped sell the shell game
In truth W lost more jobs then he created and more people fell in to poverty
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

You forgot to mention that W and his crew lied there A$$ES of to both houses

And you forgot to mention:

"Saddam's goal ... is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed." -- Madeline Albright, 1998

"(Saddam) will rebuild his arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and some day, some way, I am certain he will use that arsenal again, as he has 10 times since 1983" -- National Security Adviser Sandy Berger, Feb 18, 1998

"What is at stake is how to answer the potential threat Iraq represents with the risk of proliferation of WMD. Baghdad's regime did use such weapons in the past. Today, a number of evidences may lead to think that, over the past four years, in the absence of international inspectors, this country has continued armament programs." -- Jacques Chirac, October 16, 2002

"The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists. If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." -- Bill Clinton in 1998

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security." -- Hillary Clinton, October 10, 2002

"I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons...I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out." -- Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003

"Iraq is not the only nation in the world to possess weapons of mass destruction, but it is the only nation with a leader who has used them against his own people." -- Tom Daschle in 1998

"As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, I am keenly aware that the proliferation of chemical and biological weapons is an issue of grave importance to all nations. Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." -- Nancy Pelosi, December 16, 1998

"Even today, Iraq is not nearly disarmed. Based on highly credible intelligence, UNSCOM [the U.N. weapons inspectors] suspects that Iraq still has biological agents like anthrax, botulinum toxin, and clostridium perfringens in sufficient quantity to fill several dozen bombs and ballistic missile warheads, as well as the means to continue manufacturing these deadly agents. Iraq probably retains several tons of the highly toxic VX substance, as well as sarin nerve gas and mustard gas. This agent is stored in artillery shells, bombs, and ballistic missile warheads. And Iraq retains significant dual-use industrial infrastructure that can be used to rapidly reconstitute large-scale chemical weapons production." -- Ex-Un Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter in 1998

Originally Posted by transjen

and your average 5% is another shellgame played on the public from the liar W you forget that he was always calling up the reserves to go fight so they left there jobs to go fight creating a ton of temp jobs taking people of the unemployment line and W as usual lied at the numbers and FOX news helped sell the shell game
In truth W lost more jobs then he created and more people fell in to poverty

lol... let's get this straight... This month unemployment dropped .1% to 8.9 meaning that 192,000 people found work. If we do the math, you're saying the 3.9% gain in unemployment since Bush is due to almost 7.5 million troops coming home? Holy crap, I never knew we had so many troops over there!

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

And you forgot to mention: ...

The difference between the Clinton-era statements on Iraq and the ones from the Bush Administration are obvious. Tracy Coxx, though -- as is typical -- conveniently ignores this in Tracy Coxx's usual way. Instead of responding to the charge of Bush lies, Tracy posts things to divert attention away from what Jen raised.

Unfortunately for Tracy, as has been demonstrated time and again on this site, the truth has a nasty habit of not going away. Fortunately for Tracy, the anonymity of the Internet affords the opportunity to ignore the truth and just keep spewing bullshit without ever having to face (literally) anyone else in the discussion. So, unlike what might happen in a school setting, where this kind of crap would be put to rest pretty quickly, we have to give up bandwidth for more of Tracy's prevarication and not-so-clever diversions.

A LIE:

"The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program ... Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons." -- Bush, Oct. 7, 2002, in Cincinnati.

The above is the famous Judith Miller baloney that was debunked.

A LIE:

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." -- Bush, Jan.28, 2003, in the State of the Union address.

The CIA had already told Bush this wasn't true, but he said it anyway.

A LIE:

"[The CIA possesses] solid reporting of senior-level contacts between Iraq and al-Qaeda going back a decade." -- CIA Director George Tenet in a written statement released Oct. 7, 2002 and echoed in that evening's speech by President Bush.

While intelligence agencies knew of tentative contacts between Saddam and al-Qaeda in the early 1990s, they never found any proof of an ongoing relationship. Language was "tweaked" so Bush and Tenet could present a lie.

A LIE: "Yes, we found a biological laboratory in Iraq which the UN prohibited." -- President Bush in remarks in Poland, published internationally June 1, 2003.

This was reference to the discovery of two modified truck trailers that the CIA claimed were potential mobile biological weapons lab. But British and American experts -- including a report from the State Department's intelligence wing -- declared to be untrue. According to the British, and much to Prime Minister Tony Blair's embarrassment, the trailers are actually exactly what Iraq said they were; facilities to fill weather balloons, sold to them by the British themselves.

Shall I go on? There are upwards of 200-plus lies that have been documented about Iraq by the Bush Administration.

[randolph]

Bush and his buddies could be considered consequentialists. That is, they believed, "the end justifies the means". It is OK to lie, distort, kill, cheat, whatever, in order to achieve the desired objective. In this case, it was the removal of Saddam and the achievement of economic control over Iraq.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by randolph

Bush and his buddies could be considered consequentialists. That is, they believed, "the end justifies the means". It is OK to lie, distort, kill, cheat, whatever, in order to achieve the desired objective. In this case, it was the removal of Saddam and the achievement of economic control over Iraq.

And let's not forget that the Clinton administration wanted inspections whereas Bush wanted to go in no matter the cost--how many people have been killed by American bullets? Colin Powell was sent to the UN with bullshit photos. And when all this shit (and more!) hit the fan and the lie was exposed they hid it.

You know, I'd love to read Tracy's response to smc's post. Because a) she seems curiously silent about it (which it appears to me she often does rather than admit she was wrong) and b) because her use of Clinton era quotes appears to me to be the typical juvenile response to challenges of "the other guy did it too." Reminds me of the religious saying scientists have their own myth in the form of evolution, which is tantamount to the religious saying "see, they're just as stupid as we are."