Liberal free for all coming to an end

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It's horrendous what happened in Arizona yesterday. I'm so glad Rep. Giffords survived. I just hope she is able to recover back to a normal life. And it's so sad about the others who were killed. What kind of monster shoots a 9 year old girl? The sooner they strap him to the electric chair the better.

Apparently he legally bought a Glock at a gun shop a few months ago. The evidence indicates that the young man is clearly deranged and should have never been allowed to have a gun.
I don't know if they do background checks in Arizona and they want to make it legal for students to bring guns to school. As the Sheriff said, Arizona is living up to the Tombstone reputation.

[TracyCoxx]

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) suggested in an interview that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.

Originally Posted by Gov. Abercrombie

It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ...

But no long-form birth certificate. And no typed original document like what BO has posted online. Looks like it's time to start asking questions again.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie (D) suggested in an interview that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.



But no long-form birth certificate. And no typed original document like what BO has posted online. Looks like it's time to start asking questions again.

This is insanity. You do yourself such an injustice by posting such drivel, when there are real issues that matter.

[randolph]

Democrat
You have two cows
Your neighbor has none
You feel guilty for being successful
You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax.
The people you vote for then take the tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor.
You feel righteous.
Barbara Steisand sings for you.

Republican
You have two cows
Your neighbor has none.
So?

Socialist
You have two cows
The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor.
You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

Communist
You have two cows.
The government seizes both and provides you with milk
You wait in line to get it.
It is expensive and sour.

American corporation
You have two cows
you sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one.
You force the two cows to produce the milk of four cows.
You are surprised when one cow drops dead.
You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses.
Your stock goes up.

[TracyCoxx]

Logical fallacy: Appeal to ridicule

Originally Posted by smc

This is insanity. You do yourself such an injustice by posting such drivel, when there are real issues that matter.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Logical fallacy: Appeal to ridicule

I suggest you review what the logical fallacy called "appeal to ridicule" actually involves. I have created no straw man. You have, Tracy, by bringing up something that has nothing to do with the actual policies being implemented with which you disagree. In doing so, you seek to negate the man rather than address his policies (at least in this post and with this argument), thus contributing to the ridiculous hyperbole of others in which policies that are not that different from ones proposed by Republicans over the years (e.g., the healthcare plan is based in large part on Romney's Massachusetts plan and the plan Dole campaigned on for the presidency; etc.) are stated to be the end of our freedom, the death of America, and so on.

And before you accuse me of putting words in your mouth, note carefully that I said you are "contributing to the ridiculous hyperbole of others."

As has been pointed out on this site again and again, no matter how much civil discourse we have about politics, and no matter how substantive the discussion gets on the issues, it seems we can always count on you to revert at some point, and in some way either large or small, back to arguments and views that are facile, questionable as to their verity, and (as in this particular case) irrelevant. That is precisely what this birther crap is. When you are arguing substantively, it is obvious that you are so much smarter than those who take such crap as good coin, and it's a shame you can't seem to help but go swimming in their muck from time to time.

And before you accuse me of insulting another member of this Forum, note carefully that I am writing of your occasional opinions, not of you. You will not get ad hominem arguments out of me.

[TracyCoxx]

Appeal to Ridicule does not always involve a strawman. I did not accuse you of insulting me. I accused you of ridiculing my statement, like you said, without addressing the statement.

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Appeal to Ridicule does not always involve a strawman. I did not accuse you of insulting me. I accused you of ridiculing my statement, like you said, without addressing the statement.

You should read more carefully. My point about "insulting" was relevant to my last post, not your post that first brought up the false "logical fallacy."

And I did address your statement. It is unworthy of serious discourse. That is my response.

Again, there are serious issues to discuss. This birther crap is not among that set.