Liberal free for all coming to an end

[Enoch Root]

Tracy, you are already paying for this man. And he is very much a real man somewhere out there: round the corner, sitting behind you at the diner or the movie theater, maybe even a relative you rarely see or a relative you dearly love. You pay for this man by an increase in your, and everyone else’s, health insurance premiums, an increase that would not be there if this man had health insurance as well. You pay for this man by an increase in your taxes if his surgery was dealt with in a public hospital or Veteran’s Administration.

The inevitable conclusion is this: if indeed you wish never to have to pay for any individual then all public funding for this man, and all others like him, in need of surgery would have to cut. The question to you, then, is this: should there be NO public funding of healthcare, including Medicare? For that would be the only way you see no increase in your taxes or premiums.

[The Conquistador]

Quantitative easing explained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

And with cute little characters too!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Quantitative easing explained: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTUY16CkS-k

And with cute little characters too!

Wow, that is fantastic! Time to plant a vegetable garden.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Tracy, you are already paying for this man. And he is very much a real man somewhere out there: round the corner, sitting behind you at the diner or the movie theater, maybe even a relative you rarely see or a relative you dearly love. You pay for this man by an increase in your, and everyone else?s, health insurance premiums, an increase that would not be there if this man had health insurance as well. You pay for this man by an increase in your taxes if his surgery was dealt with in a public hospital or Veteran?s Administration.

I'm paying for him if he works at my company and is in the same insurance group. There is probably some mixing of risks between various populations though. Do you think taxes should go to pay for the health problems of those who abuse their own bodies?

[smc]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm paying for him if he works at my company and is in the same insurance group. There is probably some mixing of risks between various populations though. Do you think taxes should go to pay for the health problems of those who abuse their own bodies?

Actually, Tracy, and I say this without taking a position on the broader questions, it does not matter whether he works at your company and is in the same insurance group. There is a societal amortization of insurance that works across all insurance providers, all the insured, and all the uninsured.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I'm paying for him if he works at my company and is in the same insurance group. There is probably some mixing of risks between various populations though. Do you think taxes should go to pay for the health problems of those who abuse their own bodies?

Since the beginning, humans have abused themselves with alcohol, drugs, food and yes sex, you name it and somebody has abused it and caused health problems.

One way or another, societies have attempted to help people who are in trouble whether it is self inflicted or not. That is what a society is all about. Taxes and insurance premiums are a way to provide this support.

Tracy, if you get laid off from your good (government?) job, lose your health insurance and need an expensive operation in order to stay alive, how are you going to feel?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Since the beginning, humans have abused themselves with alcohol, drugs, food and yes sex, you name it and somebody has abused it and caused health problems.
...

Tracy, if you get laid off from your good (government?) job, lose your health insurance and need an expensive operation in order to stay alive, how are you going to feel?

Since you begin this stating that humans have abused themselves, I assume when you say I need an expensive operation you're talking about an operation for a self inflicted condition. I have read a lot about exactly how to avoid that kind of thing and live a healthy life. If I am in this predicament it means I have not followed it well, so I would be really pissed. I would wish I could go back and do better. But then I would be glad that I'm still on Cobra.

If I'm not on Cobra, then the law is that if you go to a physician, or a hospital for emergency treatment, and you do indeed, have an emergency, they are required by law to treat you until you are stable and can either be discharged or transferred to another facility, such as a state owned hospital. This is regardless of whether or not you have insurance.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Since you begin this stating that humans have abused themselves, I assume when you say I need an expensive operation you're talking about an operation for a self inflicted condition. I have read a lot about exactly how to avoid that kind of thing and live a healthy life. If I am in this predicament it means I have not followed it well, so I would be really pissed. I would wish I could go back and do better. But then I would be glad that I'm still on Cobra.

If I'm not on Cobra, then the law is that if you go to a physician, or a hospital for emergency treatment, and you do indeed, have an emergency, they are required by law to treat you until you are stable and can either be discharged or transferred to another facility, such as a state owned hospital. This is regardless of whether or not you have insurance.

Not all medical conditions are the result of abuse. Genetics can be a problem and physical injuries are are often unavoidable. I suppose a true libertarian would refuse medical attention from a tax supported institution and would avoid insurance coverage since it is a community effort to help individual members. The true libertarian would refuse all help unless paid for directly out of pocket.

[TracyCoxx]

Good luck in your bid for House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi. You're a fantastic creator of jobs for republicans.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Good luck in your bid for House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi. You're a fantastic creator of jobs for republicans.

I wonder how Nancy and Barak are going to get along the next two years if she leads the liberal Dems and he is after the GOP mods.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Good luck in your bid for House Minority leader Nancy Pelosi. You're a fantastic creator of jobs for republicans.

For this reason, I hope she gets it.