Liberal free for all coming to an end

[Amy]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

National health care would probably be a nice thing to have... AS LONG AS it's at least up to the quality we have now, and we can afford it.

Well, couldn't make it much lower.

WHO figures on quality of healthcare by country show a definite trend:

Socialised Healthcare
1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
33 Chile
34 Denmark
36 Costa Rica


SEMI-socialised/privatised
6 Singapore
10 Japan
24 Cyprus
28 Israel
32 Australia
35 Dominica
37 United States of America

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

When national health care and the other stimulus packages are threatening the stability of the dollar it's time to wake up and smell the coffee.

Oh, indeed. Like doing stuff such as taking the entire social security surplus of over 2 trillion dollars which would be enough to cover the next few decades and...spending it...on the...armed forces...?

Or giving the rich tax cuts so they can invest more money in China and India and get rid of more American jobs?

Damn right stuff like that needs to be dealt with to prevent harming your economy.

[franalexes]

I find it amazing that foriegners act as the experts on American government.

Explain please why Cleveland, Ohio is the medical center of choice for Canada.

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I find it amazing that foriegners act as the experts on American government.

It isn't really all that amazing, Fran. People in Europe are generally very well informed on American government. That is because American policy affects the people on this side of the ocean almost as much as you.
Take for instance the current financial crises that was triggered in the US but now affects us all. Many European countries have troops stationed in Afganistan simply because they cannot afford to be on bad terms with the US. That is unfortunately what politics is all about.

But while we're rather well informed on American politics, it is often hard for us to understand the American way. We can for instance not understand that in a country as rich as the US, where some are earning billions of dollars while trillions are wasted on useless wars, millions of people cannot afford to take out health insurance. It is even harder to understand for us that a President who is trying to rectify this horrible situation is heavily criticized by those doing well. I guess we just don't get that over here.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

It is even harder to understand for us that a President who is trying to rectify this horrible situation is heavily criticized by those doing well. I guess we just don't get that over here.

It's the way he's going about it. You don't have congress pass thousand page health care packages that affect people's health and 1/6 of the nations economy without reading it after making campaign promises of no more back room deals. Seriously, the congressmen voting on it did not know what was in it. That's insane.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

The other problem is that the Constitution does not grant the government power to force people to buy health insurance. A federal judge has already ruled on this, so that has to be resolved.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by Amy

Well, couldn't make it much lower.

WHO figures on quality of healthcare by country show a definite trend:

Socialised Healthcare
1 France
...

And why would the US want to rank high on a list of countries with socialized healthcare?

Originally Posted by Amy

Oh, indeed. Like doing stuff such as taking the entire social security surplus of over 2 trillion dollars which would be enough to cover the next few decades and...spending it...on the...armed forces...?

Nope, sorry. The entire gulf war cost less than half that.

Originally Posted by Amy

Or giving the rich tax cuts so they can invest more money in China and India and get rid of more American jobs?

The rich pay the vast majority of the taxes. What kind of cuts are you talking about? Raising taxes, like BO wants to do is what will get corporations to move to other countries. When BO outspent Bush's 8 years by 2.5 times in 2 months and raised our debt, China ended up owning even more of the US. So again, what are you talking about?