Ungendering and a Lack of Respect

[vampi]

Originally Posted by smc

I could be wrong, but I believe vampi means that some transwomen are bothered by the fact that many men fetishize the fact that they have cocks, whereas the transwoman may prefer to be seen as someone who does not have a cock.

Vampi, please correct me if that is not what you mean.

Almost.
I meant that many of them want to be seen more as a person to have a real relationship with, not as sex objects. It is what I find when reading posts here.

[smc]

Originally Posted by vampi

Almost.
I meant that many of them want to be seen more as a person to have a real relationship with, not as sex objects. It is what I find when reading posts here.

I think your use of the word fetish, given what it means, is too unspecific. However, I understand exactly your point. It is an extension of what I wrote in interpretation.

[vampi]

I won't ensure that fetiche is the best way to define a person's particular sex fancy. Just it's the most used term for people when they to that.

[wxhluyp]

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

[ila]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

Your statement is specious.

[wxhluyp]

Originally Posted by ila

Your statement is specious.

It is? How so?

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

Here is a fairly straightforward definition of “Ungendering” from Trans 101:

Ungendering: “An attempt to invalidate a trans person’s gender by using cissexual privilege to identify incongruities and discrepancies in their gendered appearance that would normally be overlooked or dismissed if they were presumed to be cissexual.”

Also you might want to read ila’s original post in this thread. As defined here, the act of “ungendering” is considered quite offensive to trans men and women.

[wxhluyp]

Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.

[smc]

Originally Posted by wxhluyp

Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.

You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.