Life is hard on Transexuals

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

I am growing weary of this kind of debate. I don't know how else to put this, so here goes: if you were a student in the graduate program I teach in at a leading university, and made these points in an assigned paper, you would probably find yourself on academic probation within 24 hours.

This is not a university this is just a simple internet forum, I`m just sharing something I know, not something I think, that`s all. If you find it too hard to believe then simply don`t.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

This is not a university this is just a simple internet forum, I`m just sharing something I know, not something I think, that`s all. If you find it too hard to believe then simply don`t.

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

How would you like me to prove it then? Give me an idea

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

How would you like me to prove it then? Give me an idea

Quote sections of academia texts on trans,
with links.

[smc]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Quote sections of academia texts on trans,
with links.

Jodie is my new hero. You're welcome in my classes, any time!

[Amy]

It always makes me sad and more than a little angry when people just don't get it like this.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

If you "know" it, how about proving it with some facts that you can share with the rest of us. That is the substance of the argument I am making. You make a statement that is impressionistic, that I also think is dismissive, and then you just say you "know" it's true. Prove it.

let me try something, picture this:

You`re a boy in your teens, you`re gay, you`re poor and you live in a 3rd world country in a poor neighbourhood. There aren`t many opportunities for you, you live in a room with your mom and brothers and sisters, your mom is a maid and gets paid almost nothing. You are old enough to work and you try to help your family, you get a job but it also pays poorly, one of your gay friends tells you he`s working on the streets and making money, then you also start doing it. You also know tgirls who work as prostitutes as well, and they encourage you to start dressing as a girl and put some make up and you do so, you go stand on the streets where shemales work, and you make even more money, now you`re helping your family, you move to a better place and there`s food on the table every day, you don`t make that much but it`s better than nothing, then a tgirl friends loans you money to put on some silicone so your body looks more feminine, you start dressing more feminine, you make more money, you save for a nose job or a boob job, you start making more, now you dress as a girl most of the day, and you still want to look better so you start taking hormones and you feel more like a woman each day, and it goes on and on.

Too hard to believe? You probably think that if it was you in that situation then you`d have found another way, but you probably don`t know what it feels like when your mother sends you and your little brothers and sisters to go to bed early because there`s nothing for dinner, and you feel bad because there`s nothing you can do. I didn`t go through anything similar either but I can understand it.

Now, did I make this up? no way, why? Do I look cool for saying this?
I personally know many tgirls, I`m not close to them but I`m very close to my girlfriend who is a tgirl and a gay friend who was once a cd prostitute, and of course they are close to many girls and it`s a fact that the sad story I just told you it`s similar to many tgirls that work as prostitutes and were born and raised in poor places.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

let me try something, picture this:

You`re a boy in your teens, you`re gay, you`re poor and you live in a 3rd world country in a poor neighbourhood. There aren`t many opportunities for you, you live in a room with your mom and brothers and sisters, your mom is a maid and gets paid almost nothing. You are old enough to work and you try to help your family, you get a job but it also pays poorly, one of your gay friends tells you he`s working on the streets and making money, then you also start doing it. You also know tgirls who work as prostitutes as well, and they encourage you to start dressing as a girl and put some make up and you do so, you go stand on the streets where shemales work, and you make even more money, now you`re helping your family, you move to a better place and there`s food on the table every day, you don`t make that much but it`s better than nothing, then a tgirl friends loans you money to put on some silicone so your body looks more feminine, you start dressing more feminine, you make more money, you save for a nose job or a boob job, you start making more, now you dress as a girl most of the day, and you still want to look better so you start taking hormones and you feel more like a woman each day, and it goes on and on.

Too hard to believe? You probably think that if it was you in that situation then you`d have found another way, but you probably don`t know what it feels like when your mother sends you and your little brothers and sisters to go to bed early because there`s nothing for dinner, and you feel bad because there`s nothing you can do. I didn`t go through anything similar either but I can understand it.

Now, did I make this up? no way, why? Do I look cool for saying this?
I personally know many tgirls, I`m not close to them but I`m very close to my girlfriend who is a tgirl and a gay friend who was once a cd prostitute, and of course they are close to many girls and it`s a fact that the sad story I just told you it`s similar to many tgirls that work as prostitutes and were born and raised in poor places.

I stand by my original response to what you originally wrote. You wrote:

I`d say a large % of transsexuals make the change from gay male to "shemale" because they need money. If nobody liked shemales then there would be a lot less shemales in the world.

I wrote:

It is repulsive to see the mental anguish that must come from being born "in the wrong body" diminished in this way.

You dismiss in every one of your posts the real-life situations of people who "make the change" because that they are trapped inside the wrong body, money or not. I have no doubt that your story applies in many cases, but I strongly suggest that you go back and read the second post in this thread, from our member Franalexes, and ask yourself whether perhaps you should have been a bit more thoughtful about what you wrote.

Communication is a tricky thing. People always complain that they were misunderstood, implying an error on the part of the listener or reader, when in fact it is the communicator who is responsible for ensuring that she or he is understood. Fran was pretty damn clear; at best, you were not.

[sesame]

you`re gay, you`re poor and you live in a 3rd world country in a poor neighbourhood.

Nice story.

But you emphasize on poverty & sex industry as the root cause of becoming a Tgirl from a man.

In this site I have talked to many sincere Tgirls. Most of them think that the psychological factor of "feeling like a woman trapped in a male body" is the main motive force. Many well to do people also decide to transform.
Why the are so many tgirls in Pornograhy? Actually the surgeries are very costly thats why many Tgirls join the porn trade to save some money for further augmentations. Others Work hard. But then, its very hard for Tgirls to get decent jobs.

[alyssaluxor]

yes its really hard if i were given a chance to have a second life i would prefer to be a straight guy or genetic girl!