Life is hard on Transexuals

[Shemale Cam Addict]

well, you actually have to think it the other way around too.
I`d say a large % of transsexuals make the change from gay male to "shemale" because they need money. If nobody liked shemales then there would be a lot less shemales in the world.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

well, you actually have to think it the other way around too.
I`d say a large % of transsexuals make the change from gay male to "shemale" because they need money. If nobody liked shemales then there would be a lot less shemales in the world.

It is repulsive to see the mental anguish that must come from being born "in the wrong body" diminished in this way. I think you need to explain your reasoning, Shemale Cam Addict.

[franalexes]

The only one making money is my doctor, my psyrink and my pharmacy.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

It is repulsive to see the mental anguish that must come from being born "in the wrong body" diminished in this way. I think you need to explain your reasoning, Shemale Cam Addict.

You should read more carefully, I`m not saying ALL of them, but I do know that this applies to many cases, and I know it for a fact. Going from gay male to transsexual is not an easy step, and in third world countries where there aren`t many "regular" jobs available, prostitution is a choice that some people make and it`s sure a lot easier to get customers for a guy being dressed as a girl.

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

You should read more carefully

You should write more carefully.

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

You should write more carefully.

fair

Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

they start as escorts in their countries and they go to Europe to make more money. I`m not saying they become transsexuals to go to Europe, they become transsexuals because they are gay, very feminine most times, and to work as prostitutes to get out of poverty, so it`s a combination of things. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

You should write more carefully.



Absent real data, I think it is just as possible to conclude that South American girls travel to Europe to work as escorts because of the levels of disposable income in European countries, coupled with lower levels of overall prejudice than those bred by poverty in their home countries. In other words, they go there as escorts seeking higher incomes, not to be escorts per se -- which is the implication of your argument.

And again I`m not making this up, of course it`s not the case for all tgirls, but it sure is for a good % of the ones who are born in poverty and end up working as escorts.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

they start as escorts in their countries and they go to Europe to make more money. I`m not saying they become transsexuals to go to Europe, they become transsexuals because they are gay, very feminine most times, and to work as prostitutes to get out of poverty, so it`s a combination of things. And if you think about it, it makes perfect sense.

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

And again I`m not making this up, of course it`s not the case for all tgirls, but it sure is for a good % of the ones who are born in poverty and end up working as escorts.

I am growing weary of this kind of debate. I don't know how else to put this, so here goes: if you were a student in the graduate program I teach in at a leading university, and made these points in an assigned paper, you would probably find yourself on academic probation within 24 hours.

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by smc

I am growing weary of this kind of debate. I don't know how else to put this, so here goes: if you were a student in the graduate program I teach in at a leading university, and made these points in an assigned paper, you would probably find yourself on academic probation within 24 hours.

This is not a university this is just a simple internet forum, I`m just sharing something I know, not something I think, that`s all. If you find it too hard to believe then simply don`t.

Shemale Cam Addict,

You (and others who make these kind of posts) sound just like one of my former students who used to spend all his time on-line. He was a karate expert, played in a band that was going to tour with Godsmack (or maybe it was “Korn”) , had worked for Microsoft as a developer, drove in NASCAR, and had dated “Gabrielle” from Xena Warrior Princess. I’m sure he was god’s gift to women as well--he was going to fix me up with Lucy Lawless herself!--unfortunately I was married and had to decline… In fact, WHATEVER anyone said or did, he always had “one better.”

I believe that if you really knew what you were talking about, you wouldn’t be so defensive. You would also acknowledge what smc and I both wrote and recognize that we might know what we are talking about too.

Now I will repeat what I said before:

“My (still limited) understanding of transitioning is that it is done to correct the fact that the person was born “in the wrong body” as smc has pointed out. The transsexuals that I know all have regular jobs and work hard simply to “fit in” as a part of society just like the rest of us. I don’t know any who work in the porn industry.

I agree that life must be hard for them. It has been said that “transphobia” is the last bastion of prejudice in our society. Even gays and lesbians seem to me more accepted. There isn’t a day that goes by that I don’t think about the images of violence I saw at last year’s “Day or Remembrance.” Someone who is that brave to truly be themselves deserves our respect--whether they are an accountant, doctor, tennis player, clerk at Wal-Mart, or a porn star.”

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by aw9725

Shemale Cam Addict,

You (and others who make these kind of posts) sound just like one of my former students who used to spend all his time on-line. He was a karate expert, played in a band that was going to tour with Godsmack (or maybe it was ?Korn?) , had worked for Microsoft as a developer, drove in NASCAR, and had dated ?Gabrielle? from Xena Warrior Princess. I?m sure he was god?s gift to women as well--he was going to fix me up with Lucy Lawless herself!--unfortunately I was married and had to decline? In fact, WHATEVER anyone said or did, he always had ?one better.? Of course in real life he was laughed at and had no friends.

I believe that if you really were telling the truth, you wouldn?t be so defensive. You would also acknowledge what smc and I both wrote and recognize that we might know what we are talking about too.

Now I will repeat what I said before:

Defensive? I`m just trying not to offend anyone.
Let me assure you I`m not making this up, why would I?
It seems like you just don`t want to accept the fact that things are not the same for everyone.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

I`m not trying to offend anyone here, but I bet the % of transsexuals is much bigger in 3rd world countries than in other countries. Why do you think most shemale escorts in Europe are from South America?

Trans is not generally accepted in the western world.
Its Christianity s fault.
|We used to be burned alive as witches]

Other cultures it is accepted to a much higher degree.
Visibility in those places is therefore higher.
Still the same % of people are trans, across the world, though.

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

well, you actually have to think it the other way around too. I`d say a large % of transsexuals make the change from gay male to "shemale" because they need money.

I?m surprised that you would say something like that especially as you claim to have a GF who is trans. My (still limited) understanding of transitioning is that it is done to correct the fact that the person was born ?in the wrong body? as smc has pointed out. The transsexuals that I know all have regular jobs and work hard simply to ?fit in? as a part of society just like the rest of us. I don?t know any who work in the porn industry.

I agree that life must be hard for them. It has been said that ?transphobia? is the last bastion of prejudice in our society. Even gays and lesbians seem to me more accepted. There isn?t a day that goes by that I don?t think about the images of violence I saw at last year?s ?Day or Remembrance.? Someone who is that brave to truly be themselves deserves our respect--whether they are an accountant, doctor, tennis player, clerk at Wal-Mart, or a porn star.

[fatbloke]

I remember i posted about the day of remembrance last year i think it was,maybe earlier,i said some really crap things.Now that i know more i feel really ashamed of myself.I have posted some really shit things on this site and made some really crass and immature comments,personally i deserve a good arse kicking.
Now i am more informed,still no where near enough,i mean without going thru that life change,how can we be,i appreciate the strength of character needed,the strength of purpose and the bravery,i can appreciate it but i have no idea what it takes.

[smc]

Originally Posted by fatbloke

I remember i posted about the day of remembrance last year i think it was,maybe earlier,i said some really crap things.Now that i know more i feel really ashamed of myself.I have posted some really shit things on this site and made some really crass and immature comments,personally i deserve a good arse kicking.
Now i am more informed,still no where near enough,i mean without going thru that life change,how can we be,i appreciate the strength of character needed,the strength of purpose and the bravery,i can appreciate it but i have no idea what it takes.

I have a great deal of respect for you, fatbloke, for posting this. I remember being one of the people who argued with you about some of those "crap things" you mention. None of us are perfect (myself included, at the front of the line); it is a courageous man indeed who can admit to having learned something.

[fatbloke]

Thank you for saying that,i have learnd a lot,still nowhere near enough,but i hope i don't sound so much like a complete prick anymore

[Shemale Cam Addict]

Originally Posted by aw9725

I?m surprised that you would say something like that especially as you claim to have a GF who is trans. My (still limited) understanding of transitioning is that it is done to correct the fact that the person was born ?in the wrong body? as smc has pointed out. The transsexuals that I know all have regular jobs and work hard simply to ?fit in? as a part of society just like the rest of us. I don?t know any who work in the porn industry.

I agree that life must be hard for them. It has been said that ?transphobia? is the last bastion of prejudice in our society. Even gays and lesbians seem to me more accepted. There isn?t a day that goes by that I don?t think about the images of violence I saw at last year?s ?Day or Remembrance.? Someone who is that brave to truly be themselves deserves our respect--whether they are an accountant, doctor, tennis player, clerk at Wal-Mart, or a porn star.

I don`t know any who work in the porn industry either, but I do know some that work as escorts and a good friend of mine has tons of ts friends who work as escorts, he himself used to escort as a cross desser, and we talked about this issue a few times, and believe me I know what I`m talking about.

It may not sound pretty but it`s true, and of course, as I said before, it doesn`t apply to all cases.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Shemale Cam Addict

well, you actually have to think it the other way around too.
I`d say a large % of transsexuals make the change from gay male to "shemale" because they need money. If nobody liked shemales then there would be a lot less shemales in the world.

WTF!!!
Not correct.
We transition to make the body match the internal gender.
Not to turn a trick!

Also,
Many ts including me
never identified as a gay man pre transition.