Republicans

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by smc

It really is too bad that you weren't born in ancient Greece, Tal, because -- and I mean this with the utmost respect -- you could have been a master among the Sophists.

Many t-girls call themselves that, whereas I defy you to find a single conservative republican that calls herself or himself by the abbreviation you use. Shallow or not, I'm just sayin' ...

SMC:

I do that as I've said. I never said others do it.

I call very-right-leaning political posters Conse 'Pubs until they state otherwise. I've been called a Lib by Conse 'Pubs, Neo-Cons and Libertarians, and then called a liar when I said I'm a Mod Dem. So, I'm a liar on the receiving end, and narrow-minded on the other end. I do post on a local political board, and I learned that calling someone a 'Pub gets you no answer to your question with an I'm-a-conservative blast to the face. If you say they're a conservative, no republican is accountable by them, and the talkers are entertainers only. The strategy is that the attacker can be on offense 100% of the time. Sorry, but these individuals want to crush any opposing opinion, while passing out insults to anyone who dares to have an offending opinion.

TAL

[smc]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

SMC:

I do that as I've said. I never said others do it.

I call very-right-leaning political posters Conse 'Pubs until they state otherwise. I've been called a Lib by Conse 'Pubs, Neo-Cons and Libertarians, and then called a liar when I said I'm a Mod Dem. So, I'm a liar on the receiving end, and narrow-minded on the other end. I do post on a local political board, and I learned that calling someone a 'Pub gets you no answer to your question with an I'm-a-conservative blast to the face. If you say they're a conservative, no republican is accountable by them, and the talkers are entertainers only. The strategy is that the attacker can be on offense 100% of the time. Sorry, but these individuals want to crush any opposing opinion, while passing out insults to anyone who dares to have an offending opinion.

TAL

None of my comments on this nickname / abbreviation / shorthhand business have anything to do with the politics of the individuals or groups in question. It's a simple matter. If I were a Trotskyist (and perhaps I am ), someone calling me a "Trot" would tell me two things: 1) they are using a denigrating term to diminish the value of my position, and 2) they have no real interest in discussing real politics, real issues.

It seems to me that if you are posting on a board and you have to find the right name to give people in order to discuss with them, it is a colossal waste of time. Serious people have serious discussions. Others are just doing the un-fun kind of masturbating.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by smc

None of my comments on this nickname / abbreviation / shorthhand business have anything to do with the politics of the individuals or groups in question. It's a simple matter. If I were a Trotskyist (and perhaps I am ), someone calling me a "Trot" would tell me two things: 1) they are using a denigrating term to diminish the value of my position, and 2) they have no real interest in discussing real politics, real issues.

It seems to me that if you are posting on a board and you have to find the right name to give people in order to discuss with them, it is a colossal waste of time. Serious people have serious discussions. Others are just doing the un-fun kind of masturbating.

SMC:

The abbrevs. are not uncommon in political debate.

Your only interest is in provoking me, and I'll take it that your denial is in order.

This is not a debate between you and me; it's you using debate as a shield for your provocation. If you want to continue this charade, be my guest. I'll cut and paste and use other shortcuts to waste as little time as possible on this.

TAL

[smc]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

SMC:

The abbrevs. are not uncommon in political debate.

Your only interest is in provoking me, and I'll take it that your denial is in order.

This is not a debate between you and me; it's you using debate as a shield for your provocation. If you want to continue this charade, be my guest. I'll cut and paste and use other shortcuts to waste as little time as possible on this.

TAL

Two funny things:

1. Just because someone makes a claim doesn't make that claim the truth. You don't know me, and you know very little about me. So don't presume that your claim that my only interest is in provoking you is true, just because you make the claim.

2. A Google search of "conse pub" yielded 3 hits: two of your posts on a Philly-related blog, and one post on Trans Ladyboy Forum. So while abbrevs. may be common in political debate that one is not. And that is my entire point -- the point you continue to ignore.

What I've been writing has been about the use of language -- something I know a thing or two about, and that I've spent my entire adult life researching and teaching. And I will continue to contend that your use of some abbreviations is a provocation, just like the one of which you accuse me.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by smc

Two funny things:

1. Just because someone makes a claim doesn't make that claim the truth. You don't know me, and you know very little about me. So don't presume that your claim that my only interest is in provoking you is true, just because you make the claim.

2. A Google search of "conse pub" yielded 3 hits: two of your posts on a Philly-related blog, and one post on Trans Ladyboy Forum. So while abbrevs. may be common in political debate that one is not. And that is my entire point -- the point you continue to ignore.

What I've been writing has been about the use of language -- something I know a thing or two about, and that I've spent my entire adult life researching and teaching. And I will continue to contend that your use of some abbreviations is a provocation, just like the one of which you accuse me.

SMC:

Doesn't that true thing apply to you as well?

I said it's my abbrev., and why I had to take that measure. It was a defensive move, but others have used since it on a political blog.

You say that's not the case, no?

The point is you're calling me a liar. The point is you started this nonsense, including how you'd make short work of me.


TAL

[smc]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

SMC:

Doesn't that true thing apply to you as well?

I said it's my abbrev., and why I had to take that measure. It was a defensive move, but others have used since it on a political blog.

You say that's not the case, no?

The point is you're calling me a liar. The point is you started this nonsense, including how you'd make short work of me.


TAL

I did not call you a liar. I do not think you are a liar, and would never stoop to such a level. I simply reported on a Google search. Anyone who knows the Web even a bit knows that it not a complete measure of usage.

And yes, of course, the point applies to me as well. I would never deny it.

Again, though, you make my point for me. You had to "invent" the abbreviation as a "defensive move." Reread all that I have written about this, including my most recent thoughts about discussions that involve such nonsense, and you will see how you have proven my point.

But we probably should be done with this. You can keep posting with your "Conse Pub" abbreviation that serves no purpose here for genuine debate, as far as I can see, and I'll go back to the pleasures of the Forum.

[GRH]

I'll add my perspective. When I first saw this "cons pubs" nonsense, I didn't have any idea what was being talked about for the longest. Finally I figured it out. Now don't get me wrong, I generally dislike conservative Republicans, so I don't particularly care about whether the nickname gets their feathers ruffled. But it just seemed nonsensical. Nonsensical and pointless to invent nicknames for the sole sake of it, unless there was an ulterior motive as SMC points out. And that brings me to the larger question: The need to abbreviate things when you could simply type out the full name. It doesn't take that much more effort and it certainly comes across as more educated sounding, and potentially less derogatory.

All of that said, I don't really like the idea of coming to this message board for the sake of arguing politics with people. So your nicknames haven't really cost you a poster (at least as far as I am concerned), as I probably would have ignored the political topics on principle to begin with.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by smc

I did not call you a liar. I do not think you are a liar, and would never stoop to such a level. I simply reported on a Google search. Anyone who knows the Web even a bit knows that it not a complete measure of usage.

And yes, of course, the point applies to me as well. I would never deny it.

Again, though, you make my point for me. You had to "invent" the abbreviation as a "defensive move." Reread all that I have written about this, including my most recent thoughts about discussions that involve such nonsense, and you will see how you have proven my point.

But we probably should be done with this. You can keep posting with your "Conse Pub" abbreviation that serves no purpose here for genuine debate, as far as I can see, and I'll go back to the pleasures of the Forum.

SMC:

It was nice of you to inform me of your decisive victory in something that is irrelevant to me.

I said it was defensive before, and that I made-up the abbrev. Now, it proves your point?

I await your next attack. It's a waiting move and I don't have long to wait.


TAL