Coakley Is Out--brown Wins

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

I don't need to research nothin'!! We WON WWII. We LOST IRAQ II. I don't need a cherry picker to figure that out. Who's your lawyer? Alito?

Jimbo, I believe that it is you who needs to read a book.

I'm not contesting about which wars we won. If you had actually bothered to look up 9066, you would have found out that your homeboy FDR had imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens, held them in internment camps, suspended their rights and had them arrested without grounds for due cause and seized their property and assets simply because they were Japanese. That today is known as "racial profiling"...

As I said before, FDR was a shithead and he shit on the Constitution the entire time he was in office.

Click on the links if you don't believe me.

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=74

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/eo9066.html

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066


What do you think of him now?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Jimbo, I believe that it is you who needs to read a book.

I'm not contesting about which wars we won. If you had actually bothered to look up 9066, you would have found out that your homeboy FDR had imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Japanese citizens, held them in internment camps, suspended their rights and had them arrested without grounds for due cause and seized their property and assets simply because they were Japanese. That today is known as "racial profiling"...

As I said before, FDR was a shithead and he shit on the Constitution the entire time he was in office.

Click on the links if you don't believe me.

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=74

http://www.pbs.org/childofcamp/history/eo9066.html

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5154

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_9066


What do you think of him now?

ANGRY:

You're judging FDR's 4 terms based on one HUGH mistake in the 40's, and judging it by standards 60-70 years later, like the founders having slaves and growing pot. Or do they get a pass?

You condemn FDR for ONE thing for 12 years? Hoover did nothing for The Great Depression, and Bush 43 has 116 questionable acts in 8 years. What about them?

Are you saying Obama & FDR are crap, while you say little or nothing on Hoover & Bush 43? Or am I taking you wrong?

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

You're judging FDR's 4 terms based on one HUGH mistake in the 40's, and judging it by standards 60-70 years later, like the founders having slaves and growing pot. Or do they get a pass?

You condemn FDR for ONE thing for 12 years? Hoover did nothing for The Great Depression, and Bush 43 has 116 questionable acts in 8 years. What about them?

Are you saying Obama & FDR are crap, while you say little or nothing on Hoover & Bush 43? Or am I taking you wrong?

TAL

The principles remain the same even if we are judging it 60-70 years later.

You are taking me wrong. FDR did a hell of alot more damage than just 9066.

How about we start from the beginning, the gold confiscation.

http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-go...fiscation.html
http://www.fgmr.com/the-confiscation-threat.html

And some more:

FICA (Bankrupting us today)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_In ... ns_Act_tax

National Labor Relations (Wagner) Act (AFL-CIO circle jerk) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Act

Fair Labor Standards Act (minimum wage) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act

Agricultural Adjustment Administration (Farmaid) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act

United States Housing Authority (Affordable Housing!) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... _Authority

Note that all of the above listed policies have come and bitten us in the ass at some point since their inception.

Social Security has trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities on its balance sheet.

The Wagner Act is the basis for the Democrats' new push for Card Check.

The federal minimum wage has succeeded in accomplishing nothing and keeping the youngest American workers out of the work force and underemployed.

Farmaid has succeeded in not only redistributing massive amounts of wealth, but also by lowering the productivity of farmers (which brings about other unforeseen losses to our economy), while also subsidizing American farmers to put farmers in third world countries at an economic disadvantage, thus putting them out of business. We used to import large quantities of crops from farmers in north and central Africa, but now that we have successfully put them out of business through our farm subsidies, we now feel the need to send billions dollars more to them every year to help them in their economic suffering (induced by us). So let's keep a tally of the financial and economic costs of Farmaid: (1) Billions of tax dollars removed from the private sector (2) to pay farmers (3) to be unproductive. (4) Putting third world farmers out of business and then feeling sorry for them, so we (5) send them billions more dollars in foreign aid to help ease the problem that we created. There's five prices we pay just so we can say we "buy American."

And here we are getting pissed at China for subsidizing their tire manufacturers and undercutting US companies... Well fuck us, we're no better! We do it every day!

And, of course, the venerable AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVE. I'm not going to delve too deeply into this one... but as we all know it's the root cause of the current recession. So, enough about that.

Obama is trying to tread down the same disasterous path of FDR.

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

The principles remain the same even if we are judging it 60-70 years later.

You are taking me wrong. FDR did a hell of alot more damage than just 9066.

How about we start from the beginning, the gold confiscation.

http://www.the-privateer.com/1933-go...fiscation.html
http://www.fgmr.com/the-confiscation-threat.html

And some more:

FICA (Bankrupting us today)- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_In ... ns_Act_tax

National Labor Relations (Wagner) Act (AFL-CIO circle jerk) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Act

Fair Labor Standards Act (minimum wage) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act

Agricultural Adjustment Administration (Farmaid) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Labor_Standards_Act

United States Housing Authority (Affordable Housing!) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta ... _Authority

Note that all of the above listed policies have come and bitten us in the ass at some point since their inception.

Social Security has trillions of dollars of unfunded liabilities on its balance sheet.

The Wagner Act is the basis for the Democrats' new push for Card Check.

The federal minimum wage has succeeded in accomplishing nothing and keeping the youngest American workers out of the work force and underemployed.

Farmaid has succeeded in not only redistributing massive amounts of wealth, but also by lowering the productivity of farmers (which brings about other unforeseen losses to our economy), while also subsidizing American farmers to put farmers in third world countries at an economic disadvantage, thus putting them out of business. We used to import large quantities of crops from farmers in north and central Africa, but now that we have successfully put them out of business through our farm subsidies, we now feel the need to send billions dollars more to them every year to help them in their economic suffering (induced by us). So let's keep a tally of the financial and economic costs of Farmaid: (1) Billions of tax dollars removed from the private sector (2) to pay farmers (3) to be unproductive. (4) Putting third world farmers out of business and then feeling sorry for them, so we (5) send them billions more dollars in foreign aid to help ease the problem that we created. There's five prices we pay just so we can say we "buy American."

And here we are getting pissed at China for subsidizing their tire manufacturers and undercutting US companies... Well fuck us, we're no better! We do it every day!

And, of course, the venerable AFFORDABLE HOUSING INITIATIVE. I'm not going to delve too deeply into this one... but as we all know it's the root cause of the current recession. So, enough about that.

Obama is trying to tread down the same disasterous path of FDR.

ANGRY:

Are you a Libertarian who wants to go back before and get rid of social security, Medicare, Welfare, and all other government programs with no restrictions on a free-market system? No wonder you're angry.

Only Obama & FDR are the criminals? Hoover and Bush must have done a lot of good things you'd like to spout off about?


TAL

[Talvenada]

ANGRY:

If your argument is that FDR is a socialist, save the links; I won't go there.

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

If your argument is that FDR is a socialist, save the links; I won't go there.

TAL

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that. Besides, the links are from everyones favorite site for info: wikipedia.

The clarity! It burns huh?

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that. Besides, the links are from everyones favorite site for info: wikipedia.

The clarity! It burns huh?

ANGRY:

I was asking a question in order for both of us to save time on a fruitless argument. Why would the clarity burn?

TAL

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Talvenada

ANGRY:

Are you a Libertarian who wants to go back before and get rid of social security, Medicare, Welfare, and all other government programs with no restrictions on a free-market system? No wonder you're angry.

Only Obama & FDR are the criminals? Hoover and Bush must have done a lot of good things you'd like to spout off about?


TAL

Government programs are why we are in the shit we are in.

That's the kicker. Politically, how do you end Social Security without it simply collapsing under its own weight? We can't just end it. Ignorant people will claim that "their money" is in the fund and they deserve to have it back... little do they realize "their money" was spent as soon as it was taken from their pay check. And politicians won't have the heart to tell them that, particularly the leftists that are in power at the time. Admitting this would force them to realize their ideology is a failure... and they are intellectually incapable of doing that. Either way, whether it is ended politically, or collapses financially, the result will be detrimental to whichever retired generation it disappears under. There's just no way to fix it without committing political suicide, so they aren't going to touch it.

Reserving judgment on the potential this current administration has, FDR was by and large the worst president in US history, followed very closely by Wilson and H Hoover. Bad presidents would follow, but it's FDR's policies that will be our financial ruin.



“No matter how disastrously some policy has turned out, anyone who criticizes it can expect to hear: "But what would you replace it with?" When you put out a fire, what do you replace it with”-Thomas Sowell

[The Conquistador]

I am not saying that Bush and Hoover are exempt from anything either. However, Bush did not spend roughly 2trillion dollars his first year in office and drive this country as deeply into debt as Obama did. I don't like alot of Bush's policies and I think he dropped the ball on quite a many things. But he did not fuck us over as badly as Obama did with his "stimulus".

Hoover was another shithead that started the same type of crap that FDR took further. Wilson, LBJ, Nixon, Carter and the Bush's are also on my presidential shitlist.