Self Defense

[Tread]

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Unlike most people here, I actually used to get robbed quite often when I was whoring in the big city.
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I'd like to get a shotgun to complete my home protection package.

You don't have to answer, but I like to know:
Are you ever violent or by threatening robed while being at home?
Why do you want an additional shotgun to complete home protection?

[jimnaseum]

Originally Posted by Tread

You don't have to answer, but I like to know:
Are you ever violent or by threatening robed while being at home?
Why do you want an additional shotgun to complete home protection?

Hey Tread,
The first place I bought was a townhouse in a bad neighborhood, I got robbed twice, the second time the thief actally got my revolver.
I'm real non-violent, I've been in jail a couple week-ends for petty offenses, I didn't like it.
G Gordon Liddy had a radio show, he said when he was an F B I agent and his team had to go out on an assignment that was most likely going to be "up close and personal" that the agents wisked right by the machine guns for the Shotgun rack. That made sense to me.

[The Conquistador]

Granny stops robber with a gun.

http://www2.nbc4i.com/cmh/news/crime...Robber/25296/#

[randolph]

Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies --in the final sense --a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. . . . It is humanity hanging from a cross of iron.
--Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954

What would he think of us today?

[Tread]

Thanks to all who answered me to get a better understanding. I hope I'm not too annoying.

Originally Posted by aw9725

... I think a shotgun is a very effective weapon under home defense conditions--especially at close range. ...

That's a detailed answer.
I informed myself more about the crime in the different states compared to other countries. I was a bit surprised that I live in a county with so low homicides. And murders are done on the street, bars, or money transports. In other cases the murderer was a trusted person to the victims, friend, family, benefactor (tramping, meal, lodging), a client (prostitution), or something like this.
Maybe I don't know enough about the violent home attackers in the US, serial killers or about the addicts with money problems to see the home defence need.

I also looked up the advantages and disadvantages of shotguns, and still don't see why to buy an extra one.
A shotgun (pump-action) and the shells are usually cheaper than handguns but it's heavier and not so handy in buildings. They usually have less shells/bullets and a lower rate of fire (pump-action) than semi-automatic handguns. They are easier to use and have a better stopping power with one hit. If you have to shoot more than once the handgun is better. The spread of shot against the accurately of the handgun is not a big advantage at a room close rage. The penetration is lesser (limbs, walls).
So what is the reason not to use the gun you already have and use for self defence? If you let a shotgun out of the safe, you could also let your handgun at that place.

Originally Posted by jimnaseum

Hey Tread,
The first place I bought was a townhouse in a bad neighborhood, I got robbed twice, the second time the thief actally got my revolver.
I'm real non-violent, I've been in jail a couple week-ends for petty offenses, I didn't like it.
G Gordon Liddy had a radio show, he said when he was an F B I agent and his team had to go out on an assignment that was most likely going to be "up close and personal" that the agents wisked right by the machine guns for the Shotgun rack. That made sense to me.

I meant, was there one who robbed you violent or threatening at/in your home, while you were home.

Why it makes sense to you or/and the agents?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

Thanks to all who answered me to get a better understanding. I hope I’m not too annoying.

Nope. You're not being annoying

Originally Posted by Tread

A shotgun (pump-action) and the shells are usually cheaper than handguns but it’s heavier and not so handy in buildings.

Compared to a pistol, yes. But a pistol still takes considerable training to hit a target accurately even at close range.

Originally Posted by Tread

They usually have less shells/bullets and a lower rate of fire (pump-action) than semi-automatic handguns.

True, but you forget that 1 shell of 000 buckshot contains 10 pellets roughly 9mm in diameter. That means 1 shell of 12 gauge 000 buck has the same capacity as 1 magazine of 9mm Parabellum. You will have more hits on target vs. rounds fired with a shotgun than a pistol.

Originally Posted by Tread

They are easier to use and have a better stopping power with one hit. If you have to shoot more than once the handgun is better. The spread of shot against the accurately of the handgun is not a big advantage at a room close rage. The penetration is lesser (limbs, walls).

If that were true, more troops would use a pistol for clearing rooms instead of a shotgun. In CQB, the shotgun is king. Pistols are generally used in areas where it is not practical to to have a larger weapon (i.e. concealed carry purposes, inside a vehicle etc) or is used as a way to fight your way to a more powerful weapon.

Handguns take considerable amount training to hit something accurately compared to a shotgun or rifle. Pistols have less stopping power unless you are comparing the ammo to birdshot which does not penetrate deep and has a large spread. The spread of the shot can be changed by the amount of choke the shotgun has; the tighter the choke, the tighter your spread will be. At longer distances even with the spread, more pellets of buck will hit a target vs. pistol rounds. If I remember correctly (which I don't) the spread after 20 ft. begins to open up 1 inch every 6ft-10ft depending on the load and choke.

If you are firing slugs from a shotgun, they will reach out and touch someone accurately at 100+ meters(Accuracy tapers off at around 125-150 meters.) which is alot greater than the pistols 25-50 meter range.

The penetration of the ammo depends on the loading. #4, #1, 0, 00, and 000 buckshot penetrates deeper than birdshot (hence why birdshot is used for hunting birds and buckshot is used for hunting deer.)

Originally Posted by Tread

So what is the reason not to use the gun you already have and use for self defence? If you let a shotgun out of the safe, you could also let your handgun at that place.

Again, it all depends on operator preference. Someone may not like the size of a shotgun and choose a pistol, another person may not hit accurately with a pistol but can hit better with a shotgun or a carbine. It all depends on what you are comfortable with. If you are comfortable with a pistol, get a pistol. If you are comfortable with a shotgun, get a shotgun and so on and so forth.

[Rachel]

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If you are firing slugs from a shotgun, they will reach out and touch someone accurately at 100+ meters(Accuracy tapers off at around 125-150 meters.) which is alot greater than the pistols 25-50 meter range.



Dont stick your head up at 200 yards with the newest sabot slug loads. 3 inch groups are possible with full rifled barreled slug guns like my Winchester 1300 12 Ga. shown here. 1800FPS loads generating over 3000 pounds feet of muzzle energy rival most high powered rifles. And you are starting out with a .50 to .74 caliber 437 grain bullet.

[jimnaseum]

[QUOTE=Tread;113642]
I meant, was there one who robbed you violent or threatening at/in your home, while you were home.
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When I lived in a bad neighborhood, I was jogging around the hood and some crack dealers threw a rock at me, so I scooped up a small rock and returned fire. The next thing I know, some hopped up jig is attacking me with a "for sale" sign from my next door neighbor's townhouse. While I was considering my options, two more Brothers were running toward us, I thought "Well, now I'm either dead or saved" Luckily, they grabbed their homeboy and pulled him back to their corner. I had a couple other showdowns with young black males, in every case, they knew where I lived.It cost me $100,000. to get out of that place.

When I used to go shooting I used a .22 because the ammo was so cheap. My buddy's sexy 9MM was so expensive to shoot, an afternoon of snorting coke would have been cheaper! I actually bought an pellet airgun from Walmart w/ scope for under $25, but it was pretty accurate for a toy.

[The Conquistador]

That chick would be hotter if she had a dong. However, a woman with a gun is still sexy!