Self Defense

[Tread]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Wait.... did you just say what I think you said?

Are you saying that it would be better for me or a roommate to get shot, stabbed, etc and for me to know how to save her life rather than for me to own a firearm and kill the intruder before he can do anything? -_- >.> <.<

I wanted to say that a lot of people die every day by accidents, heart attack, apoplectic stroke, allergic shock and so on, because folks around don't do anything helpful. And I doubt that there are many cases where a home defence weapon saved life.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

I dunno, ask them the next time you meet one. They do it because they're stupid, poor, an asshole or who knows.

Only met once people who killed other in a drug gang fight, but didn't have something to do with them or talked much with them, but they had a clear financial motive.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

Well, I own two fire extinguishers, have a gas mask and was trained for first aid and CPR, so.... your point?

Exemplary! Didn't expect this.
I thought CPR is part of first aid, nevermind. Many learn it only once in life forget it fast and don't know what to do in a serious situation, but your training is probably not many years ago, so you're able to execute it.
By a fire, most people suffocate from smoke while sleeping, but I guess you have smoke detectors as well.

I find it unnecessary to prepare against unlikely risks, like meteors, terrorism, home invasions or bloodthirsty Thief's (unless you life at a place where this is not the exception). And the most forget that driving by car, working in the garden, doing sport or getting infected from by other human has a multiple higher risk.

If you want to prepare for everything, it's OK. In my opinion overdone, but no offense here. I myself overdo it with personal information's on the internet, being paranoid in giving info or pic's away.

I only want to understand why so many justify an extra big calibre weapon with home defence. For me it implies a little guilt for owning it. They have it cause they say they need it (and I don't see the need), and not cause they want to have it.


@SweetCharmer
Makes sense and I prefer this too, but in the US too many people have already guns, and disarming works only if you are close enough.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

I only want to understand why so many justify an extra big calibre weapon with home defence. For me it implies a little guilt for owning it. They have it cause they say they need it (and I don’t see the need), and not cause they want to have it.

Why should I feel guilt for having something(whether I want or need it)? That is like asking "You have 2 perfectly good feet. Why do you need a car?"

Mr. Tread I would like to ask you a couple questions:

1) Do you place such little value on your life that you would rather not own an efficient weapon with excellent standoff?

2) If someone broke into your house, can you tell if they were a rapist, serial killer, robber etc.?

3) Are you sure enough of a criminals intentions that you would trust that he would want to only steal your belongings and nothing more?

4) What would you do if a psychotic person broke into your house and started threatening you or your family?

5) Do you live in Europe?

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

And I doubt that there are many cases where a home defence weapon saved life.

You could not be more wrong about that. There is a plethora of recorded cases where weapons have saved people from rape, murder, physical abuse within the family home. I will post some later.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by Tread

By a fire, most people suffocate from smoke while sleeping, but I guess you have smoke detectors as well.

Yes, we have fire detectors but I also have something else on my side. I guess its a rare or possibly some sort of a lucky disorder or malfunction of my brain but my subconscious/unconsciousness takes control of my body when I'm sleeping. I can be completely unconscious or simply asleep and people tell me I get up and walk around, respond to questions, do things, etc (sleep walking). I wake up and my roommates will tell me I got up and did something or said something and I'll say, "no I didn't". My subconscious must be responding to questions or incidents for me while I'm "out". It's weird. Anyway, what I'm getting at is one day I was in an accident and completely knocked unconscious but then I got up and got myself to safety. My friends watched this happen and told me what I did when I finally "came to". There is no way I could have been conscious from such an impact to the head. My point is that I have some sort of natural security system where if I'm in danger and unconscious or asleep, my body takes control and does stuff for me. I believe that if we had a fire and there was smoke or if I was attacked while sleeping, that my subconscious will defend me or get me to safety. I'm not willing to test that theory but strongly believe it might be true. I guess that would be the best self defense weapon anyone could have.

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

My point is that I have some sort of natural security system where if I'm in danger and unconscious or asleep, my body takes control and does stuff for me. I believe that if we had a fire and there was smoke or if I was attacked while sleeping, that my subconscious will defend me or get me to safety. I'm not willing to test that theory but strongly believe it might be true. I guess that would be the best self defense weapon anyone could have.

Animals have a "higher" sense of danger. I'm sure it can exist to different degrees in humans as well. One night a while back (April 2008 I think) my two cats were going crazy running around and meowing and the dog was panting and pacing all over the house. At about 3AM I woke up to a low rumble and then the whole house started rattling and shaking--it was an earthquake. I had never been in one so at first I thought it might have been a tornado or a plane crash or something. Anyway, the cats and the dog could tell something was wrong several hours before it happened. I think people can have that ability too.

We also had a german shepard that could predict storms. You could tell if something was going to be really bad--like a tornado, by watching her. Same kind of "pacing" and whining. She also was a good watchdog!

That's great to have that ability. I think I have something like it too--but not as much.