Self Defense

[Tread]

I'm not from the US, so what do you expect happens at your home? Are there so many psychos that want to kill you? Are house invasions really normal? Did you expect bomb belt terrorists or wild animals? Or what is it?
If someone wants to steal something out of your house, they usually do that when nobody is at home. Unless you build a spring gun they have only something more to steal.

In mind it would be nice if "friendly" people that knock your door Saturday 8:00 AM and want to speak about god, and then BOOM but I hate cleaning.

[KittyKaiti]

Originally Posted by Tread

I'm not from the US, so what do you expect happens at your home? Are there so many psychos that want to kill you? Are house invasions really normal? Did you expect bomb belt terrorists or wild animals? Or what is it?
If someone wants to steal something out of your house, they usually do that when nobody is at home. Unless you build a spring gun they have only something more to steal.

In mind it would be nice if "friendly" people that knock your door Saturday 8:00 AM and want to speak about god, and then BOOM but I hate cleaning.

I was expecting such a comment eventually. You're European I take it? There are several reasons why someone would want to own a gun, home defense being one of them. Only an idiot would say something like "What are the chances of a home invasion actually happening? I don't really need to be prepared." Unless you live in a gated community with security patrols, your home is at risk at any moment. Now if you're like me and live in the ghetto and are a transsexual, you are at extraordinary risk of assault, rape, murder, home invasion, etc. I highly recommend arming yourself if you fall into this category of "high risk persons", such as myself.

But guns are not only for keeping out criminals but also for keeping out the government. You see, in America, our country was founded on the vital right to owning firearms to secure the nation from threats at home. We used our right to own weapons in 1776 to overthrow a tyrannical government. This right is necessary to keep the government in check. In the event of Martial Law or the establishment of a Police State or Totalitarian Dictatorship, the citizens can fight back and overthrow the corrupt government. In Europe and pretty much everywhere in the world, you have been stripped of your only defense against totalitarianism. Look at Australia and the United Kingdom. These countries are decaying into Police States and the people have no defense. Of course we're seeing this corruption rising in the U.S. too. Civilian gun ownership is vital to the national security of the nation.

Bullshit Laws In The US: This is why we need guns.

*ACTA
*Patriot Act
*Massachusetts Senate Bill 2028
*Kentucky House Bill HB 775
*GIVE Act

Note that the GIVE Act's original threat to civil rights was removed before it was passed. The original text outraged many people including Congress and the Senate.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

In Europe and pretty much everywhere in the world, you have been stripped of your only defense against totalitarianism. Look at Australia and the United Kingdom. These countries are decaying into Police States and the people have no defense.

Nonsense! Their benevolent overlords are only "thinking of the children".

[The Conquistador]

On a different note, here are video clips of bullets striking different mediums and all captured with a 1,000,000 FPS camera!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfDoQwIAaXg




BTW Tread, is your avatar of a Beanie Baby? Just curious because I have the Penguin and Koala ones. I'm a dork!

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by KittyKaiti

You're European I take it?
Now if you're like me and live in the ghetto and are a transsexual, you are at extraordinary risk of assault, rape, murder, home invasion, etc.

But guns are not only for keeping out criminals but also for keeping out the government.
Look at the United Kingdom. These countries are decaying into Police States and the people have no defense.

Totally spot on.
The state {UK} will not protect us
nor allow us to protect ourselves.
They just don't care.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

I'm not from the US, so what do you expect happens at your home?

I expect that the sanctity of my home is respected by my fellow citizens. It is not a shelter or a bank; is is the dwelling of another person.

Originally Posted by Tread

Are there so many psychos that want to kill you?

Depends on where you live but generally no. Psychos; NO, however there are criminals that will not hesitate to attack the resident if cornered and they are alot more common.

Originally Posted by Tread

Are house invasions really normal?

Also, dependent on your location. However, it isn't a stretch to say that home burglaries are the most common form of crime.

Originally Posted by Tread

Did you expect bomb belt terrorists or wild animals? Or what is it?

No. Wild animals are usually in rural areas and Bomb-belt terrorists can be found in The Sandbox(Middle East), Europe and any place with a significant Hebrew/Jewish population.

Originally Posted by Tread

If someone wants to steal something out of your house, they usually do that when nobody is at home. Unless you build a spring gun they have only something more to steal.

This is purely based on personal observation but everytime I've had my place broken into, it was at nighttime. Night tends to favor a criminal in that they are alot harder to identify and can make an easier getaway/it's alot harder to track them in the dark as opposed to broad daylight.

Not always true with the "they now have your weapons" arguement. Most folks will have their guns locked up in a safe which can weigh anywhere from +400 Lbs or have a weapon on their person. Unless your average street thug has friends with him or has the body of Paleolithic man, he will not be going anywhere with a giant safe. Only idiots leave weapons where criminals or untrained children can touch them with their grubby little paws.

Originally Posted by Tread

In mind it would be nice if "friendly" people that knock your door Saturday 8:00 AM and want to speak about god, and then BOOM but I hate cleaning.

Whatever floats your boat dude. I personally do not wish anyone grievous bodily harm unless they make it clear that they intend to do so towards me; breaking and entering being one. Afterall, if someone is going to break into another persons house and do god-knows-what, then what assurance do I have that stealing is all they intend to do? A shotgun loaded with 00 buckshot conveys a homeowners intentions and assures a criminal that said homeowner will not put up with his shit.

Originally Posted by Tread

I’m not from the US, so what do you expect happens at your home? Are there so many psychos that want to kill you?

Hi Tread,

KittyKaiti and AngryPostman answered your questions better than I could have. In the United States we have ten amendments to our Constitution known as the “Bill of Rights” that guarantees certain freedoms. It is fundamental to our system of governance--indeed our very “way of life.” The first right is the “freedom of speech” that is so well known. The second is the right “to keep and bear arms.” Our country was founded on the principles of individual rights and the right to be free from tyranny. What is commonly known as the “revolutionary war” was actually a war for independence. One of the ways of insuring our independence and freedom was to support an armed populace. We take this right quite seriously.

When I joined this forum, the last thing on my mind was guns! However, I started this thread in response to the beating of one of our members. Yes, there are sometimes people out there that want to hurt others--even kill. I grew up in one of our most dangerous cities--Detroit. Check it out on the Internet if you like. We lived in a “good” neighborhood by comparison but there were still burglaries, robberies, assaults, rapes, and murders. Yes, there is a police department but the reality is they arrive “after the fact” and typically don’t provide a deterrent for hardened criminals. In the end, you really must be prepared to defend yourself.

Alternatives to guns include Karate or Judo, chemical sprays, “tasers,” or knives. Not all of these are legal in all 50 states and if you are small or outnumbered, aren’t going to do much good anyway. Many of our members are also the target of “hate crimes.” Often these involve some kind of physical assault usually by more than one attacker. There are well documented cases of gay, lesbian, or transgendered individuals who have been beaten or even killed by their assailants.

My original post recommended learning to shoot and carry a gun for self defense. You can read my “profile” for more about me if you like. Currently I live in Indianapolis which is relatively “safer” than Detroit. However there was an incident a few years ago in one of our downtown parking garages where I am absolutely certain that the fact I was “carrying” saved my wife and myself.

Hope this helps you to understand a little more about the reasons for owning a gun. BTW what country are you from? Also I like your avatar!

Andrew

[Tread]

Originally Posted by aw9725

KittyKaiti and AngryPostman answered your questions better than I could have. ...
...Hope this helps you to understand a little more about the reasons for owning a gun.

My question was about home defence and not about owning, or carrying a gun.

Hate crime, murder, rape, violence and so on usually happen on the street and not at home.
I can't belief that someone invades and garrison your home, why should someone do this?

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Depends on where you live but generally no. Psychos; NO, however there are criminals that will not hesitate to attack the resident if cornered and they are alot more common.

I don't understand, there are common cornered criminals that attack uninvolved homes? Why?

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

This is purely based on personal observation but everytime I've had my place broken into, it was at nighttime. Night tends to favor a criminal in that they are alot harder to identify and can make an easier getaway/it's alot harder to track them in the dark as opposed to broad daylight.

Yes that's my personal observation. In nearly all cases I know that a Thief's notice that someone is present in the building that they break in, they try to escape. Is that not the case in the US? (I don't know)
A Thief tries to avoid confrontation. It is easier to get away if nobody is there to identify, than at night and wake up the house owner. The best would be at night and nobody is at home.

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

BTW Tread, is your avatar of a Beanie Baby? Just curious because I have the Penguin and Koala ones. I'm a dork!

I signed pictures I have made with a, under UV-Light, glowing Scorpion. I don't wonder that other find it scary or disgusting in first, but didn't changed it. For my Avatar I wanted a nice friendly pic combined with the glowing Scorpion. I quick drew little changes, mouth colour, to a stuffed Scorpion I found on the net.
I thought it was a plush animal for $19.95. But you are right, also I didn't find it on their site. And it's only $4.87 with shipping at Amazon, I want to have it.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

Hate crime, murder, rape, violence and so on usually happen on the street and not at home.
I can't belief that someone invades and garrison your home, why should someone do this?

My sister had her house broken into by 2 would-be bank robbers who were armed. Not 5 mintues after she left, they broke in. Now suppose she hadn't left when she did, her and her baby would be at the mercy of 2 felons who were hopped up on meth and swinging pistols around. The cops had them barricaded inside the house and it took about 20 rounds of CS to flush them out. They broke and entered but do you really want to trust criminals who have a history of violence that they are not going to harm you in any way?

Originally Posted by Tread

I don't understand, there are common cornered criminals that attack uninvolved homes? Why?

Not sure what you mean by this but what I was trying to say that the odds of running into someone of the likes of Charles Manson or John Wayne Gacy are relatively slim, whereas the odds of running into a felon who will not hesitate to escalate to violence when cornered are significantly higher.

If said perp has one more strike against him and will be going away for a long time if he's caught, he's not going to put up his hands and smile sheepishly and say something like, "Oops! Ya caught me red-handed!" The perp is not trying to go back to jail and will do what is necessary to stay away from bars, even if that means hurting or killing someone.

The most common mistakes people make is that:

1) The criminal only wants valuables.

2) The criminal will never hit my house because I live in a good neighborhood or something along those lines.

Crime can happen anywhere. Period. How often it happens is dependent on where you live.

Originally Posted by Tread

Yes that's my personal observation. In nearly all cases I know that a Thief's notice that someone is present in the building that they break in, they try to escape. Is that not the case in the US? (I don't know)
A Thief tries to avoid confrontation. It is easier to get away if nobody is there to identify, than at night and wake up the house owner. The best would be at night and nobody is at home.

While they try to avoid confrontation, most criminals have a history of violence and are repeat offenders. People like that will not hesitate to hurt someone if it means accomplishing their objective.

Robbing a house is a crapshoot. Regardless if it is day or night, someone will either be there or not be there. Unless you recon the place prior to the bust, a simple smash and grab is never as simple as that.

Simple fact is that you did not invite them into your abode and they are unwanted. Being unprepared in your own home is an unnecessary risk for a false sense of security.

Originally Posted by Tread

I signed pictures I have made with a, under UV-Light, glowing Scorpion. I don't wonder that other find it scary or disgusting in first, but didn't changed it. For my Avatar I wanted a nice friendly pic combined with the glowing Scorpion. I quick drew little changes, mouth colour, to a stuffed Scorpion I found on the net.
I thought it was a plush animal for $19.95. But you are right, also I didn't find it on their site. And it's only $4.87 with shipping at Amazon, I want to have it.

Cool!

[Tread]

I'm sorry to hear your criminals are so stupid that they try to escape in a random house instead of try to get away. But would it help if you were at home with a gun you have to get out of the safe when armed criminals suddenly break in? If they are surprising, it would be too late even the gun is at a particular open place in your house. Is the risk lower to get harmed if you have a ready gun at home and caught off guard?

How do those criminals get so easy in the house? A broken window can be pretty dangerous if someone wants to hurry through, and a looked door shouldn't be easy to open without proper tools or by a non professional.


I don't want to discus if it is better to confront armed criminals with guns or to cooperate. I don't see the reason to extra argue with home defence, and the need of bigger guns for it.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by Tread

I'm sorry to hear your criminals are so stupid that they try to escape in a random house instead of try to get away. But would it help if you were at home with a gun you have to get out of the safe when armed criminals suddenly break in? If they are surprising, it would be too late even the gun is at a particular open place in your house. Is the risk lower to get harmed if you have a ready gun at home and caught off guard?

They are not stupid. What I was trying to say was that the criminal will always try to escape, even if it means that they will have to go through you.

Most of the time, a spare gun is within ready reach of the occupant. Unless they break in through your bedroom window or you live in a studio, you will have a couple seconds to a couple minutes of time to arm yourself. I for example have my Mosin right under my bed with 4 in the mag and 1 in the chamber. Should I hear the sound of breaking wood or glass, I can have it locked and loaded and in the low-ready position in under 2 seconds. At a walking pace, it takes about 6 seconds to make it from the front door to my bedroom and half that for running/jogging pace. That extra second allows me to orient my sights.

Originally Posted by Tread

How do those criminals get so easy in the house? A broken window can be pretty dangerous if someone wants to hurry through, and a looked door shouldn't be easy to open without proper tools or by a non professional.

Broken windows can be dangerous but odds are that the criminal is a repeat offender and has done it before. You wouldn't believe how easy it is to bust through a doorlock. Hell, most doorknobs use the same key. Go to a hardware store and check out the selection of locks and compare the makes and models and the accompanying keys. The keys are varied but they are pretty much the same. The different models of locks even have the same serial number which means that the key from a brass doorhandle will work on a brushed stainless steel doorhandle is the serials match up or are close enough. Not as infallible as most people think.

Originally Posted by Tread

I don't want to discus if it is better to confront armed criminals with guns or to cooperate. I don't see the reason to extra argue with home defence, and the need of bigger guns for it.

I know. I was just trying to explain some differences.